Convergence of sqrt(2+sqrt(sn)) = s_n+1

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The discussion revolves around the convergence of the sequence defined by the recurrence relation \( s_{n+1} = \sqrt{2 + \sqrt{s_n}} \) with the initial condition \( s_1 = \sqrt{2} \). Participants are tasked with showing that \( s_n < 2 \) for all \( n \) and exploring the properties of this sequence.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • One participant suggests that the sequence is increasing and bounded, leading to convergence. Another participant questions a potential typo regarding the initial condition of the sequence. There is also mention of analyzing the sequence as a dynamical system using cobweb plots.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants clarifying the initial conditions and exploring different approaches to analyze the convergence of the sequence. Some guidance on the properties of increasing and bounded sequences has been provided, but no consensus has been reached on the overall approach.

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There is a noted concern about the initial condition being potentially misstated, which could affect the interpretation of the problem. The participants are working within the constraints of the problem as stated, with a focus on convergence and boundedness.

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Homework Statement



Show convergence of s_{n+1}= \sqrt{2+\sqrt{s_n}} where s_1 = \sqrt{2}

and that s_n&lt;2 for all n=1,2,3...

Homework Equations



Let {p_n}be a sequence in metrice space X. {p_n} converges to p iff every neighborhood of p contains p_n for all but a finite number of n.

The Attempt at a Solution



I'm only assuming that's the relevant property to know...

s_n+1 >=s_n so increasing.

s_{n+1} &gt; \sqrt{2}

so \frac{1}{s_{n+1}} &lt;\frac{1}{\sqrt{2}}

but 1/s_n+1 is positive so

0&lt; \frac{1}{s_{n+1}} &lt;\frac{1}{\sqrt{2}} so it's bounded.

Since it's bounded and increasing, the sequence is convergent.
 
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zfolwick said:

Homework Statement



Show convergence of s_{n+1}= \sqrt{2+\sqrt{s_n}} where s_n = \sqrt{2}

and that s_n&lt;2 for all n=1,2,3...
Is this a typo? " where s_n = \sqrt{2} "

Did you mean to write: s_1 = \sqrt{2} instead ?
 
yes you are correct. I fixed the typo
 
zfolwick said:

Homework Statement



Show convergence of s_{n+1}= \sqrt{2+\sqrt{s_n}} where s_1 = \sqrt{2}

and that s_n&lt;2 for all n=1,2,3...

Homework Equations



Let {p_n}be a sequence in metrice space X. {p_n} converges to p iff every neighborhood of p contains p_n for all but a finite number of n.


The Attempt at a Solution



I'm only assuming that's the relevant property to know...

s_n+1 >=s_n so increasing.

s_{n+1} &gt; \sqrt{2}

so \frac{1}{s_{n+1}} &lt;\frac{1}{\sqrt{2}}

but 1/s_n+1 is positive so

0&lt; \frac{1}{s_{n+1}} &lt;\frac{1}{\sqrt{2}} so it's bounded.

Since it's bounded and increasing, the sequence is convergent.

You could also analyze this as the dynamical system x_{n+1} = f(x_n), where f(x) = sqrt(2 + sqrt(x)), using the technique of "cobweb plots"; see, eg.,
http://www.math.montana.edu/frankw/ccp/modeling/discrete/cobweb/learn.htm or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cobweb_plot .

RGV
 
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