Correspondence between Hamiltonian mechanics and QM

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The discussion revolves around the correspondence between Hamiltonian mechanics and quantum mechanics (QM), focusing on the relationships between dynamical variables, operators, and vector fields in both frameworks. The scope includes theoretical exploration and conceptual clarification of the mathematical structures involved.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that the dynamical variables of position and momenta in classical mechanics correspond to linear Hermitian operators in QM, with the commutator of QM operators relating to the Poisson bracket of classical variables.
  • One participant questions the correspondence of vector fields generated by dynamical variables in classical mechanics to elements in QM, suggesting a potential link to the propagator in QM.
  • Another participant discusses the formulation of QM through a homomorphism of Lie algebras, noting that while one might associate vector fields generated by classical variables with QM operators, certain axioms of pre-quantization are not satisfied, complicating this association.
  • The discussion includes a reference to the mathematical treatment of pre-quantization and its implications for rigorously formulating topological quantum field theory (QFT).

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Participants express differing views on the nature of the correspondence between classical and quantum frameworks, with no consensus reached on the exact relationships or implications of the discussed concepts.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include unresolved assumptions regarding the mapping of classical variables to QM operators and the implications of pre-quantization axioms. The discussion also highlights the complexity of establishing rigorous connections between classical mechanics and quantum mechanics.

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To which entitity (operators, wavefunctions etc) in quantum mechanics do the dynamical variables and the hamiltonian vector fields that they generate (through Symplectic structure of classical mechanics) correspond to?
 
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The dynamical variables of position and momenta correspond to (linear) Hermitian operators. In particular, the commutator of two QM operators is given by the imaginary unit times the poisson bracket of the corresponding classical variables. The phase space of a quantum system is in general an infinite-dimensional Hilbert space, in contrast with the symplectic manifold of classical phase space.
 
Ok.

And to what (in QM) does the vector field, say \overline{df}, generated by a dynamical variable, say f (in Classical mechanics) correspond to?

I think I can associate the propagator in QM to the vector field generated by the Hamiltonian in classical mech, but what about other vector fields?
 
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The formulation of QM is through a homomorphism of Lie algebras from the poisson bracket in classical hamiltonian mech to commutation relationships in QM. This is to handle the correspondence principle used in physics, in a more general way. The requirements are more than just the existence of this homomorphism (the kernel of which are the constant functions, i.e. f=constant). Although we would be tempted to associate X_f (the vector field generated by f in classical Hamiltonian mechanics) with the operators in QM, it turns out that it does not satisfy some axioms of pre-quantization (specifically, the axiom that constant functions should be mapped to multiplication by that function). In the end, we can associate -iX_f + f + \theta (X_f) (where d\theta = \Omega, the symplectic 2-form) to QM operators. Anyway, a full treatment of this is given in mathematical physics books under the topic of (geometric) 'pre-quantization'. As far as I understand, a closely related issue is proving to be a big hurdle in rigorously formulating topological QFT.

note: X_f = \overline{df} = 1-vector field that is generated by f and which corresponds to the 1-form df (correspondence is through the isomorphism between the tangent and cotangent space that is induced by the symplectic 2-form \Omega )
 
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