Cutting a spring in half and then in 1/4 and 3/4

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The problem involves a helical spring with a given stiffness that is cut into two parts, and a mass is attached to these parts. The original poster seeks to determine the natural period of the system when the spring is cut into different lengths, specifically one-fourth and three-fourths of the original length. The discussion revolves around the implications of cutting the spring on its stiffness and the resulting natural period.

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  • Participants discuss the relationship between the length of the spring and its stiffness, with some exploring how cutting the spring affects the spring constant. There are attempts to clarify why the stiffness changes when the spring is halved and when it is cut into different proportions. Questions arise regarding the use of series versus parallel spring equations in the context of the problem.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing insights into the mechanics of spring constants and their effective stiffness when cut. Some participants have offered reasoning related to the spring's behavior when divided, while others are questioning the assumptions made in the textbook regarding the arrangement of the springs.

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Participants are navigating the complexities of spring mechanics, including the definitions of series and parallel configurations, and how these apply to the problem at hand. There is a recognition of the need for clarity on the effective spring constants for the different sections of the cut spring.

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Homework Statement


A helical spring of stiffness k is cut into two halves and a mass m is connected to the two halves. The natural time period of this system is found to be 0.5 sec. If an identical spring is cut so that one part is one-fourth and the other part is three-fourths of the original length, and the mass m is connected to the two parts, what would be the natural period of the system?

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Attached is the solution. Why is k2 = 4k? I understand the solution up until that point.

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Oh wait, I think I misunderstood the question.

F=kx => k =F/x and if we halve x we double k.

So basically if you take a spring, with some number N coils and stretch it by some length x, each winding or coil stretches by a factor of x/N. Now halve N (you're cutting the spring in half). Stretch the spring by the same length, each coil now stretches by a factor of 2x/N, effectively doubling the spring constant. (It takes 2x as much force to stretch or compress the spring by the same amount)
 
Dustinsfl said:
You link provides no useful information to the question I asked.
Yea, sorry about that.
 
Why did the textbookuse series of spring and not parallell springs Keq=k1+K2?
 
killercrew said:
Why did the textbookuse series of spring and not parallell springs Keq=k1+K2?
Not sure which step you are referring to.
The working has two stages. First, we need to find the effective k of each section of the cut spring. E.g. for the 1/4:3/4 split:
We can think of the uncut spring as these two sections in series:
##\frac 1k=\frac 1{k_{\frac 14}}+\frac 1{k_{\frac 34}}##.
Using the argument in post #4, we know that ##k_{\frac 14}=4k##. Substituting that leads to ##k_{\frac 34}=\frac 43k##.
In the second stage, we consider inserting the mass between the two sections. At the mass, for a given displacement, the two forces add. This is the same as for springs in parallel, so we use ##k_{net}=k_{\frac 14}+k_{\frac 34}##.
 
killercrew said:
Why did the textbookuse series of spring and not parallell springs Keq=k1+K2?

I have thought this until I recognized this:
The work is done on two steps for each case (taking the first case as an example):
- finding the new spring constant (k1) for each sector w.r.t the previous stiffness (k)... which make him use series leadind to (k1 = 2 k)
- finding the equivalent stiffness for the whole system (4k)... and then completing other steps
 

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