Cylindrical coordinates: unit vectors and time derivatives

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The discussion revolves around the unit vectors in cylindrical coordinates and their time derivatives. Participants are exploring the relationships between these unit vectors and their expressions in rectangular coordinates.

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  • One participant describes their attempts to derive the time derivatives of the unit vectors in cylindrical coordinates and expresses confusion about the simplification process. Another participant questions the correctness of the derivative provided by the original poster, suggesting a possible mistake.

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The discussion is active, with participants engaging in clarifying the relationships between the unit vectors and their derivatives. Some guidance has been offered regarding the expressions for the unit vectors, and there appears to be a productive exchange of insights.

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There is an indication of potential misunderstandings regarding the derivatives of the unit vectors, and the original poster is seeking clarification on specific expressions. The conversation reflects a focus on ensuring accuracy in the mathematical relationships involved.

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I have found expressions for the unit vectors for cylindrical coordinates in terms of unit vectors in rectangular coordinates.
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I have also found the time derivatives of the unit vectors in cylindrical coordinates. However, I am having trouble seeing how it simplifies. For instance, I do not understand how to arrive at the following for the rho hat unit vector.
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Can someone enlighten me, please?
 

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You say you have the time derivatives of the unit vectors. But, if the derivative of ##\hat{\rho}## is not that given, then you must have made a mistake.
 
Mason Smith said:

Homework Statement


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The Attempt at a Solution


I have found expressions for the unit vectors for cylindrical coordinates in terms of unit vectors in rectangular coordinates.
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I have also found the time derivatives of the unit vectors in cylindrical coordinates. However, I am having trouble seeing how it simplifies. For instance, I do not understand how to arrive at the following for the rho hat unit vector.
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Can someone enlighten me, please?
You have $$\dot{\hat{\rho}}=(-\sin{\phi}\hat{x}+\cos{\phi}\hat{y})\dot{\phi}$$But you already showed that $$\hat{\phi}=(-\sin{\phi}\hat{x}+\cos{\phi}\hat{y})$$
Do you see how it works out now?
 
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Chestermiller said:
You have $$\dot{\hat{\rho}}=(-\sin{\phi}\hat{x}+\cos{\phi}\hat{y})\dot{\phi}$$But you already showed that $$\hat{\phi}=(-\sin{\phi}\hat{x}+\cos{\phi}\hat{y})$$
Do you see how it works out now?
That makes perfect sense. Thank you so much for the insight, Chestermiller! :smile:
 

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