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The discussion centers on a process control problem involving a tank system at steady state, where the user has derived a second-order differential equation. The main challenge is determining the values of the difference in concentration (Ca*) and its derivative at time zero for the Laplace transform, with the user assuming both to be zero due to steady state conditions. A response highlights the importance of including disturbances that can affect the steady state in the analysis and Laplace transform. The user shares their work and expresses difficulty with the transformation process, particularly in handling initial conditions. Ultimately, a breakthrough occurs when a suggestion clarifies the transformation issue, leading to a resolution of the user's problems.
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Hi, I'm working on a process control question about a tank system at steady state. The part I'm having problems with is where I have derived a second order differential equation to model the system and have replaced the concentrations with derivation constants in that :
Actual Concentration at output (Ca) - Ideal Concentration at output (Cas) = Difference in Concentration at Output (Ca*), etc.
What I am struggling with is the Laplace transform of the equation; I need to know the value of Ca* and dCa*/dt at time = zero. To me, both will be zero, as at steady state Ca = Cas since the system has been running for a period of time. No information is given about this in the question that I can figure out, but I have done the transform several times and I can't get it to work.
Any help would be brilliant.
Thanks,
Rosie
 
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rosaliexi said:
Hi, I'm working on a process control question about a tank system at steady state. The part I'm having problems with is where I have derived a second order differential equation to model the system and have replaced the concentrations with derivation constants in that :
Actual Concentration at output (Ca) - Ideal Concentration at output (Cas) = Difference in Concentration at Output (Ca*), etc.
What I am struggling with is the Laplace transform of the equation; I need to know the value of Ca* and dCa*/dt at time = zero. To me, both will be zero, as at steady state Ca = Cas since the system has been running for a period of time. No information is given about this in the question that I can figure out, but I have done the transform several times and I can't get it to work.
Any help would be brilliant.
Thanks,
Rosie
Show us more details of what you have done. Even if the system is at steady state to begin with, disturbances will upset the steady state, and these forcings must be included in your analysis and in your Laplace Transform.
 
Chestermiller said:
Show us more details of what you have done. Even if the system is at steady state to begin with, disturbances will upset the steady state, and these forcings must be included in your analysis and in your Laplace Transform.

It's all written out on Word so I have attached the relevant work. I know the disturbance and have done a general transform but I can't finish it and am assuming I am going wrong with cancelling the g(0) and g'(0) values because I keep getting the same answers otherwise.
 

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Maybe this will help:

$$\frac{s+2a}{(s+a)^2+w^2}=\frac{(s+a)}{(s+a)^2+w^2}+\frac{a}{w}\frac{w}{(s+a)^2+w^2}$$
 
Ohhhh of course! Thank you, that's solved all my problems :D
 
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