Derivative of Position Vector at Specified Time

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The discussion revolves around understanding the derivatives of position and velocity vectors at a specified time in orbital mechanics. The poster grapples with the concept that while the initial position vector (r0) is constant at time t0, it does not imply that the initial velocity vector (v0) is also zero. The confusion arises from the assumption that fixed initial conditions lead to zero derivatives, which is incorrect as initial velocities can be non-zero. The analogy of throwing a ball from a rooftop illustrates that even with a fixed position, the velocity and acceleration can still be active due to external forces. Overall, the key takeaway is that fixed initial conditions do not negate the possibility of non-zero derivatives.
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Homework Statement


My homework problem is a proof in orbital mechanics, but I'm not looking for specific help on that just yet, I'd like to work through it on my own. In doing so however, I'm having a hard time conceptualizing the idea of derivatives of vectors at a specified time. If r is a general position vector, and r0 is the position vector at time t0, and the same applies for velocity vectors v and v0, it seems to me that the derivatives of each of the vectors specified at time 0 should be 0, because these values are constant. But I also don't see how that can be true because v0 should be the derivative of r0.

Homework Equations


r=ar0+bv0 where a and b are scalar functions of time.

The Attempt at a Solution


If I attempt to take the derivative of the above equation, I'm not sure whether or not I can say the derivatives of r0 and v0 are 0, leaving me with v=a'r0+b'v0 or not.

Thanks for any help guys, sorry if this is a bit of a dumb question but it's really messing with my head right now. Cheers
 
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Vectors are analogous to their scalar cousins. Just because an initial position is fixed doesn't imply the initial velocity must be zero, or that the initial acceleration must be zero. Consider throwing a ball from a rooftop. The initial position is fixed but not zero. The initial velocity is not zero because it's thrown, and the initial acceleration is not zero because gravity doesn't go away :smile:
 
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