Derivative with e and Definte integral

In summary, the first problem involves finding the derivative of a function with y as an implicit variable. The second problem asks for the definite integral representing the surface area formed by revolving a function around the x-axis, and the third problem involves finding the volume of a solid formed by revolving a region around the y-axis.
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philadelphia
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1. Find y' if xey + 1 = xy

The attempt at a solution
I separated the y:
y= ey + 1/x

After deriviation:

y' = e2(dy/dx) -1/(x2)

Is this correct? If so, how do solve after since this question is m/c which one of choices is (y-ey)/ (xey-1), though it could be none of above.

2. Find the definite integral that represents the area of the surface formed by revolving the graph of f(x) = x2 on the interval [0, sqrt(2)] about the x axis
This is another m/c problem

The attempt at a solution
The problems asks for the proper shell method formula I beleive.
one of the choice is 2pi [tex]\int[/tex] [tex]^{sqrt(2)}_{0}[/tex] x2[tex]\sqrt{1+x}[/tex]4dx

and another 2pi [tex]\int[/tex] [tex]^{2}_{0}[/tex] y[tex]\sqrt{1+1/y}[/tex]dy

ok my question is where do they get a sqrt for part of the answer

3. Find the volume of the solid formed by revolving the region bounded by y=2x2 + 4x and y = 0 about the y-axis.

Since the volume is forming on the y-axis, how do I separate x from the given function
 
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For problem (2), where do you get those formulae from? When you rotate x^2 about the x-axis you form a solid with a circular cross section. That is if you slice the solid perpendicular to the yz-plane every slice is a circle with radius r and therefore with area [itex]\pi r^2[/itex]. You want to add all the slices in the interval [itex][0,\sqrt{2}][/itex] together. The r however is different for different values of x so you want to express r in terms of x. Can you see what r(x) is?
 
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Those formulas in problem 2 are some of the answer choices of that multiple choice question
 
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Well forget multiple choice for a while. Do you understand my previous post and can you derive an expression for r(x)?
 
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philadelphia said:
1. Find y' if xey + 1 = xy

The attempt at a solution
I separated the y:
y= ey + 1/x

After deriviation:

y' = e2(dy/dx) -1/(x2)

Is this correct? If so, how do solve after since this question is m/c which one of choices is (y-ey)/ (xey-1), though it could be none of above.

Since you still had y on both sides of the equation, it was not really necessary to divide both sides by x, especially since it changed the nature of the possible values for x (in your new equation, it is no longer valid to have x = 0, which was perfectly valid in the old equation). Keep an eye out for losing the scope of solutions like this.
So going back to the old equation:
xey + 1 = xy
all you really have to do is take the derivative of each side of the equation with respect to x, and note that the derivatives of each side should be equal as well. That is to say, if f(x) = g(x), then f'(x) = g'(x). Both sides are still functions of x even with the y present, because in general, we restrict attention to those regions of the graph of the solutions to the equation on which y is an implicit function of x. Then solve for the term (dy/dx) which is the same as y'(x) in the resulting equation.
 
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slider142 said:
Since you still had y on both sides of the equation, it was not really necessary to divide both sides by x, especially since it changed the nature of the possible values for x (in your new equation, it is no longer valid to have x = 0, which was perfectly valid in the old equation). Keep an eye out for losing the scope of solutions like this.
So going back to the old equation:
xey + 1 = xy
all you really have to do is take the derivative of each side of the equation with respect to x, and note that the derivatives of each side should be equal as well. That is to say, if f(x) = g(x), then f'(x) = g'(x). Both sides are still functions of x even with the y present, because in general, we restrict attention to those regions of the graph of the solutions to the equation on which y is an implicit function of x. Then solve for the term (dy/dx) which is the same as y'(x) in the resulting equation.

O yea, I forgot about that. Duh. Thank you so much
 

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1. What is the derivative of e^x?

The derivative of e^x is e^x. This means that the derivative of any function in the form of e^x will equal itself.

2. How do you find the derivative of a function with e?

To find the derivative of a function with e, you can use the power rule or the chain rule. For example, if the function is e^x, you can use the power rule and the derivative would be e^x. If the function is e^2x, you can use the chain rule and the derivative would be 2e^2x.

3. What does e represent in a derivative?

In a derivative, e represents the base of the natural logarithm. It is a mathematical constant that is approximately equal to 2.71828.

4. How is e used in definite integrals?

In definite integrals, e is used as the upper limit of integration. This means that the function is evaluated at the value of e. For example, in the definite integral of e^x from 0 to 1, the function would be evaluated at e.

5. Can e be used to represent growth or decay?

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