Deriving the equation for magnetic induction

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The problem involves deriving the equation for magnetic induction at a point near a straight wire with a given radius. The original poster seeks to use the Biot-Savart law to derive the magnetic field equation B=\frac{\mu_{0}i}{2\pi r} by integrating over the wire's volume, considering the wire's radius and current density.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster discusses using the Biot-Savart law and integrating over the wire's volume, expressing concerns about the complexity of triple integrals. They also consider the impact of the wire's radius on the integration process.
  • Some participants suggest careful selection of differential elements and question the integration bounds, particularly regarding the relationship between angles and distances involved in the setup.
  • One participant proposes dividing the wire into thin planes and lines to simplify the integration process, expressing a desire to express the total magnetic induction from these components.
  • Questions arise about the relationship between integration bounds and the angles involved in the magnetic field calculations.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring various methods to set up the integrals correctly. Some guidance has been offered regarding the choice of differential elements and the potential complexity of the integration bounds. There is no explicit consensus on a single approach, but multiple lines of reasoning are being explored.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the challenge of integrating over a volume with a constant current density and the implications of the wire's radius on the calculations. The original poster has not yet learned how to perform triple integrals, which adds to the complexity of their approach.

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Homework Statement



We have a straight wire with radius R. What is the magnetic induction through point A at a distance of r?
In other words, derive the equation [tex]B=\frac{\mu_{0}i}{2\pi r}[/tex] by using [tex]d\vec{B}=\frac{\mu_{0}i}{4\pi r^2}(d\vec{l} \times \vec{u_{r}})[/tex]

Homework Equations



[tex]d\vec{B}=\frac{\mu_{0}i}{4\pi r^2}(d\vec{l} \times \vec{u_{r}})[/tex]

The Attempt at a Solution



Now, I know there are a couple of methods for doing this, some of them being quite simple. But I'm specifically interested in solving the problem by using just one equation (the Biot-Savart law) and integrating it over the entire volume of the wire (assuming we have an infinitely long straight wire with constant radius and density). I guess this means bringing in a triple integral. As far as I know [tex]dB=\frac{\mu_{0}i}{4\pi s^2}\cos{\alpha}dl[/tex] where [tex]\cos{\alpha}=\frac{r}{s}[/tex] (see drawing1) in which case we are dealing with an infinitely thin wire and it would be not too difficult to solve [tex]B=\int^{\infty}_{-\infty} \frac{\mu_{0}i}{4\pi s^2}\cos{\alpha}dl[/tex]. However, assuming that we have a real wire with a radius R, we need one more angle to describe the position of dl with respect to point A. (see drawing2). If any of this makes any sense at all, I should get [tex]dB=\frac{\mu_{0}i}{4\pi x^2}\cos{\alpha}\cos{\phi}dl[/tex] where [tex]\cos{\alpha}=\frac{a}{s}[/tex], [tex]\cos{\phi}=\frac{s}{x}[/tex] and r is the distance between point A and the center of the wire. I haven't learned yet how to create triple integrals (only double integrals so far) so this is why it's a little bit beyond my level. Any thoughts on how to continue? Am I even moving in the right direction here?
 

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Be careful in choosing your differential elements. As it stands right now, yours doesn't make too much sense because you ultimately wish to integrate over a volume [tex]V[/tex] containing a constant current density [tex]\vec{J}[/tex].

Use the form [tex]d\vec{B} = \frac{\mu_0}{4 \pi r^2} (\vec{J}dV \times \vec{r})[/tex] to start with. By forgoing the use of vector calculus, however, setting up the integrals properly may be pretty difficult. For example, the bounds of [tex]\phi[/tex] over which to integrate are not nearly as simple as [tex]\alpha[/tex]. As to the solution, you may not be able to find an exact result I'm afraid. I have done a few similar calculations and I ended up computing them in MATLAB.
 
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Interesting. I guess that makes sense. I was wondering about this however. Is it right for me to assume that the bounds of [tex]\phi[/tex] are functions of [tex]\alpha[/tex] and a?
 
I finally figured it out. I'm going to divide the wire into infinitely thin planes, each plane perpendicular to r (the distance between point A and the center of the wire). Each plane I will divide into infinitely thin straight lines, so as if the whole wire represents a bundle of infinitely thin straight "wires" (see wire.jpg, where each line represents a single point on the cross-section of the wire). Each of those lines has a current di running through them inducing a magnetic field vector [tex]d\vec{B}[/tex] at point A. All I have to do is find a way to express the sum of all the modules of [tex]d\vec{B}[/tex] created by each line to get the answer I'm looking for.

symbol definitions:
r - distance between point A and the center of the wire
h - distance between the observable plane and the center of the wire (r+h is the distance between point A and the observable plane)
R - radius of the wire
R' - half the width of the observable plane. It depends on the value of h, therefore R'(h).
x - distance between line B (in the drawing it appears as point B) and the central line of the observable plane
s - distance between line B and point A
phi - angle between r and s (see drawing)

First, I will observe the magnetic induction created at point A by the central line of the wire. It's easy to show that that would be [tex]dB=\frac{\mu_{0}di}{2\pi r}[/tex]. For any other line I would have to substitute r with s (distance between the observable line and point A). For example for line B I get [tex]dB=\frac{\mu_{0}di}{2\pi s}\cos{\phi}=\frac{\mu_{0}jdS}{2\pi s}\frac{r+h}{s}=\frac{\mu_{0}j(r+h)dxdh}{2\pi s^2}=\frac{\mu_{0}j(r+h)dxdh}{2\pi ((r+h)^2+x^2)}[/tex]
By integrating it over x from -R' to R' I get the magnetic induction at point A induced by each plane. To find the sum of all planes I have to integrate it over h from -R to R. [tex]B=\int^{R}_{-R}{\int^{R'(h)}_{-R(h)}{\frac{\mu_{0}j(r+h)}{2\pi ((r+h)^2+x^2)}dx}dh}=\int^{R}_{-R}{2\int^{R'(h)}_{0}{\frac{\mu_{0}j(r+h)}{2\pi ((r+h)^2+x^2)}dx}dh}=\int^{R}_{-R}{\int^{R'(h)}_{0}{\frac{\mu_{0}j(r+h)}{\pi ((r+h)^2+x^2)}dx}dh}[/tex]

[tex]h^2+R'^2=R^2 \Rightarrow R'(h)=\sqrt{R^2-h^2}[/tex]
Also, I want to keep the current constant, independent of the radius of the wire, therefore I will substitute [tex]j=\frac{i}{4\pi R^2}[/tex] to get [tex]B(r,R,i)=\int^{R}_{-R}{\int^{R'(h)}_{0}{\frac{\mu_{0}\frac{i}{4\pi R^2}(r+h)}{\pi ((r+h)^2+x^2)}dx}dh}=\int^{R}_{-R}{\int^{R'(h)}_{0}{\frac{\mu_{0}i(r+h)}{4R^2 ((r+h)^2+x^2)}dx}dh}[/tex] which gives me the magnetic induction of an infinitely long straight wire with the radius R at point A. So far I haven't found a computer program that could solve this kind of integral but by using different values of r, R and i to numerically find B(r,R,i) I believe that I can safely conclude that
[tex]B(r,R,i)=\int^{R}_{-R}{\int^{R'(h)}_{0}{\frac{\mu_{0}i(r+h)}{4R^2 ((r+h)^2+x^2)}dx}dh}=\left\{\begin{array}{cc}\frac{\mu_{0}ir}{2\pi R^2},&\mbox{ if }<br /> r<R \\\frac{\mu_{0}i}{2\pi r}, & \mbox{ if } r \geq R\end{array}\right.[/tex]
 

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