Deriving the magnitude range of the force F for which van does not tip over

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The discussion centers on understanding the normal reaction forces acting on a van to determine the conditions under which it does not tip over. Participants clarify that the normal forces can be unequal, and the sum of frictional torques must be considered rather than just the forces. The presence of a horizontal force at the center of mass (COM) is acknowledged as a crucial factor in analyzing tipping scenarios. Visualizing the problem with accurate diagrams helps in understanding the tipping dynamics better. Ultimately, the key takeaway is that the analysis does not rely solely on equal normal forces to assess the tipping condition.
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Homework Statement
The van is on an inclined plane (inclined by angle α) and has weight W. Wheels are distance 2d apart, COM is vertical distance h from inclined plane surface and parallel-to-plane distance d from both wheels and horizontal force acts through C. The van is stationary.

The first part of the question assumes both normal reaction forces on the wheels are equal and thus by taking the moment about COM the sum of frictional forces is zero.

The problem (second part of the question) asks to show for F such that van doesn't tip over :
W*tan⁡(β-α) ≤ F ≤ W*tan⁡(α+β) with tan⁡(β)=d/h, W = mg
where normal reaction forces on wheels are not necessarily equal.
Relevant Equations
tan⁡(β)=d/h
M = r×F
Okay so I'm not quite sure about the normal reaction forces. The condition is that they are both equal for the sum of frictional forces to be zero but then technically when substituting into the number equations in place of [ n(1) + n(2) ] either 2n(1) or 2n(2) makes me confused as then n(1) does not equal n(2) which would mean you cannot get rid of f(1) + f(2)? Unless f(1) + f(2) = 0 in all cases where van doesn't tip over. But then wouldn't that imply that if we have 2n(1) or 2n(2) then it will tip over? But this is the correct approach supposedly. Also I'm guessing 2n(`1) and 2n(2) are like the extremes of normal contact force at one wheel or the other which enable you to find the range for magnitude of F. I don't think I understand.
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anmsstu said:
COM is vertical distance h from inclined plane surface.
I think you mean it is the distance from the surface, not the vertical distance from it.
anmsstu said:
The first part of the question assumes both normal reaction forces on the wheels are equal and thus by taking the moment about COM the sum of frictional forces is zero.
It took me a while to realize you had left out of the problem statement that there is a horizontal force F applied at the COM; centrifugal perhaps.
I think you mean the sum of frictional torques is zero. The forces would be equal and opposite.

It will be a lot simpler if you consider the two cases separately. When F is weak, which way might it tip? What do you know about the normal forces when about to tip?

By the way, your diagram is a bit misleading for the purposes of the left hand inequality. The vertical through C should be to the left of the leftward wheel.
 
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haruspex said:
I think you mean the sum of frictional torques is zero. The forces would be equal and opposite.
Ah yeah ofc! : 0 Okay now I can visualise it and see that it's not dependent on the normal reaction forces being equal. Thank You :)
 
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