Deriving the rate laws for first and second order reactions

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The discussion centers on the mathematical derivation of reaction rates in chemistry, specifically for a reaction of type A converting to a product. The average rate is defined as rate = -ΔA/Δt, while the instantaneous rate is expressed as -dA/dt. By equating these rates, a separable differential equation is formed: -dA/dt = k·A. The derivation leads to the equation ln A = -kt + C. A participant inquires about transitioning to the form ln(A/Ao) = -kt, suggesting that definite integration is the method to achieve this. Another contributor notes that at time zero, C equals Ao, and emphasizes the importance of deriving equations specific to each reaction, considering unique coefficients. The conversation also touches on the relevance of calculus in introductory chemistry, with some arguing that derivations may not be necessary for students who haven't taken calculus yet.
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So, the average rate for a reaction of type A --> product is given by \text{rate} = -\frac{\Delta A}{\Delta t}. Also, \text{rate} = k \cdot \text{A}.

The instantaneous rate for a reaction of that type is \lim_{\Delta t\rightarrow\0} -\frac{\Delta A}{\Delta t} = -\frac{dA}{dt}.

Setting the instantaneous rate for a reaction equal to the second equation, there is -\frac{dA}{dt} = k \cdot \text{A}.

Well, this is a very friendly separable differential equation. I get \ln A = -kt + C.

How do I get \ln{\frac{A}{A_o}} = -kt from my derivation? Definite integration?
 
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erik-the-red said:
So, the average rate for a reaction of type A --> product is given by \text{rate} = -\frac{\Delta A}{\Delta t}. Also, \text{rate} = k \cdot \text{A}.
The instantaneous rate for a reaction of that type is \lim_{\Delta t\rightarrow\0} -\frac{\Delta A}{\Delta t} = -\frac{dA}{dt}.
Setting the instantaneous rate for a reaction equal to the second equation, there is -\frac{dA}{dt} = k \cdot \text{A}.
Well, this is a very friendly separable differential equation. I get \ln A = -kt + C.
How do I get \ln{\frac{A}{A_o}} = -kt from my derivation? Definite integration?



At time =0 C=Ao
 
yes, definite integration, you'll merely have one term on the right since initial time is considered zero. Also remember to always derive the equation for a particular reaction...if you're going to write the rate equation in terms of a reactant/product with a unique coefficient, they'll be multiples to account for.
 
Thanks! It's like every intro chem book always uses the exact phrase, "Using calculus, we can derive..."

I mean at the intro chem level most students haven't taken calculus, so to show the derivation is unnecessary. I was just curious :)
 
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