Deriving the rate laws for first and second order reactions

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The discussion revolves around deriving the rate laws for first and second order reactions in chemical kinetics, focusing on the mathematical formulation of reaction rates and the integration process involved in deriving the equations. The scope includes theoretical aspects and mathematical reasoning related to reaction rates.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant states that the average rate for a reaction of type A --> product is given by the equation \text{rate} = -\frac{\Delta A}{\Delta t} and that the instantaneous rate can be expressed as -\frac{dA}{dt} = k \cdot \text{A}.
  • Another participant asks how to derive the equation \ln{\frac{A}{A_o}} = -kt from their previous derivation, suggesting that definite integration may be involved.
  • A third participant confirms that definite integration is the correct approach and emphasizes the importance of deriving the equation for a specific reaction, noting that unique coefficients must be considered.
  • One participant expresses skepticism about the necessity of showing the derivation at the introductory chemistry level, suggesting that many students may not have taken calculus.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the mathematical approach to deriving the rate laws, particularly the use of definite integration. However, there is a disagreement regarding the necessity of showing the derivation in introductory chemistry courses, indicating differing views on pedagogical approaches.

Contextual Notes

There are assumptions regarding the students' mathematical background and the specific conditions under which the rate laws are derived, which may not be universally applicable. The discussion does not resolve whether the derivation should be included in introductory materials.

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So, the average rate for a reaction of type A --> product is given by [tex]\text{rate} = -\frac{\Delta A}{\Delta t}[/tex]. Also, [tex]\text{rate} = k \cdot \text{A}[/tex].

The instantaneous rate for a reaction of that type is [tex]\lim_{\Delta t\rightarrow\0} -\frac{\Delta A}{\Delta t} = -\frac{dA}{dt}[/tex].

Setting the instantaneous rate for a reaction equal to the second equation, there is [tex]-\frac{dA}{dt} = k \cdot \text{A}[/tex].

Well, this is a very friendly separable differential equation. I get [tex]\ln A = -kt + C[/tex].

How do I get [tex]\ln{\frac{A}{A_o}} = -kt[/tex] from my derivation? Definite integration?
 
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erik-the-red said:
So, the average rate for a reaction of type A --> product is given by [tex]\text{rate} = -\frac{\Delta A}{\Delta t}[/tex]. Also, [tex]\text{rate} = k \cdot \text{A}[/tex].
The instantaneous rate for a reaction of that type is [tex]\lim_{\Delta t\rightarrow\0} -\frac{\Delta A}{\Delta t} = -\frac{dA}{dt}[/tex].
Setting the instantaneous rate for a reaction equal to the second equation, there is [tex]-\frac{dA}{dt} = k \cdot \text{A}[/tex].
Well, this is a very friendly separable differential equation. I get [tex]\ln A = -kt + C[/tex].
How do I get [tex]\ln{\frac{A}{A_o}} = -kt[/tex] from my derivation? Definite integration?



At time =0 C=Ao
 
yes, definite integration, you'll merely have one term on the right since initial time is considered zero. Also remember to always derive the equation for a particular reaction...if you're going to write the rate equation in terms of a reactant/product with a unique coefficient, they'll be multiples to account for.
 
Thanks! It's like every intro chem book always uses the exact phrase, "Using calculus, we can derive..."

I mean at the intro chem level most students haven't taken calculus, so to show the derivation is unnecessary. I was just curious :)
 

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