Describe the position of a pulley attached to a sling

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The discussion focuses on analyzing the behavior of a floating pulley attached to a sling, particularly how its position changes under a force applied at the drum. Key parameters include the drum's location, sling length, load weight, and friction percentage in the pulley. Participants suggest creating free body diagrams to visualize the forces acting on the system, emphasizing the role of tension in the cables and the impact of friction on the load's movement. The conversation also touches on the complexities of deriving equations of motion due to the unknown position of the pulley and the angles involved. Overall, the analysis aims to understand the dynamics of the pulley system under varying forces.
  • #51
Jeroen Staps said:
I now have the following equation that seems to be correct:

φ = cos-1((AC-CD*cos(γ-θ)) / √(AC2+CD2-2*AC*CD*cos(γ-θ))) + 90 - α
I was thinking of something simpler, though it may be equivalent: the sine rule.
 
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  • #52
Jeroen Staps said:
But how do I use this to describe the location of D when there is a certain mass hanging at D and there is a certain pulling force in AD?
As I posted, you can use angles θ and φ to write a force balance equation.
 
  • #53
haruspex said:
I was thinking of something simpler, though it may be equivalent: the sine rule.
I used the cosine rule twice to come up with this
 
  • #54
haruspex said:
As I posted, you can use angles θ and φ to write a force balance equation.
So does my post #45 make sense?
 
  • #55
Yes, at least for equilibrium. Adding constant acceleration should be easy.

But I wished you wouldn't change notation every time.
And you can easily simplify ##\ \sin(\pi/2-\pi/4-\phi)\ ## and ##\ \cos(\pi/2-\pi/4-\phi)\ ## I should hope.

So how many equations with how many unknowns do you now have altogether ?
 
  • #56
BvU said:
Adding constant acceleration should be easy.
I believe it is a statics question, how the equilibrium position depends on the applied tension.
 
  • #57
haruspex said:
I believe it is a statics question, how the equilibrium position depends on the applied tension.
The question is: What is the position of the pulley when there is a given mass of the load and a given ratio between the force of gravity and the pulling force.
 
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  • #58
Jeroen Staps said:
The question is: What is the position of the pulley when there is a given mass of the load and a given ratio between the force of gravity and the pulling force.
Which is the same as I wrote.
 
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