Detecting Dynamic Torque Across a Geared System

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Dynamic torque sensing in geared systems can be achieved using specialized torque sensors, such as those from Honeywell and Lebow, which are adapted for rotary applications. These sensors can detect the direction of torque—positive, negative, or zero—especially when there is gearing between input and output shafts. The discussion highlights that gauges mounted on non-rotating elements, like gearbox mountings, can effectively measure torque direction and magnitude. It is noted that zero torque can be felt in manual transmissions, indicating that strain gauge platforms can be adapted for real-time torque indication. Proper mounting is crucial for accurate readings, particularly in detecting in-line torsion between components.
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I'd like to know if anyone here knows of anything that can sense the torque dynamically across a geared system (such as a transmission); basically, whether it is in a "positive" direction, a "negative" direction or zero. (The magnitude is not important, though it would be useful to know when it is approaching zero.) Most torque gauges and meters are static devices, but I'd like to know of one that works in a situation where the system is running.

KM
 
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A torque sensor then?

2 seconds of google gives some Honeywell gauges at:
http://www.sensotec.com/torque.asp

They're just normal strain gauges but adapted for rotary use.

Any help?
 
In a word, yes! Thanks

KM
 
If there is any gearing (other than 1:1) between the input and output shafts, or if the input and output shafts are not on the same axis, then you will also be able to sense the direction (and magnitude) of the transmitted torque by means of gauges on the non rotating elements (typically the gearbox mountings).
 
FredGarvin said:
Check also with Lebow. It's their specialty. I have used them many times.

Again, thanks!


ceptimus said:
If there is any gearing (other than 1:1) between the input and output shafts, or if the input and output shafts are not on the same axis, then you will also be able to sense the direction (and magnitude) of the transmitted torque by means of gauges on the non rotating elements (typically the gearbox mountings).

Very interesting! I guess, in a way, that should have been somewhat apparent. After all, we can feel the the zeroing out of the torque across an automobile (manual) transmission through the gearshift lever (It becomes loose and movable). I assume therefore, that simply by adapting a strain gauge platform to go, for example. between a transmission and whatever follows, I'd get an indication of the magnitude and direction of the torque?

I'm not sure though - - Why would a direct through, 1:1 case be a limiting condition? As I recall, the zeroing of the torque can also be detected in "top" gear, which is direct and 1:1. (I haven't actually driven a manual for quite a while.)

Also, can I assume that the best mounting would be that which would best indicate an in-line torsion between the two housings?

And again, thanks!

KM
 
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