Determine the direction and speed of the wave from a given wave equation

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The discussion revolves around determining the direction and speed of a wave from the given wave equation \(\psi(x,t) = A e^{-a(bx+ct)^{2}}\). Participants are exploring the relationship between the wave equation and its representation as \(\psi(x,t) = f(x \pm vt)\), focusing on how to ascertain the wave's propagation direction and speed.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss rearranging the exponent to identify the wave speed \(v = \pm\frac{c}{b}\) and question whether the direction of propagation can be determined without knowing the specific form of \(f(x \pm vt)\). There is also mention of an alternative approach involving setting \(bx + ct = C\) and deriving a unique solution, prompting questions about the validity of different methods.

Discussion Status

The conversation is ongoing, with participants sharing their reasoning and interpretations. Some suggest that both approaches to determining the wave's direction are valid, while others express uncertainty about the implications of the signs of \(b\) and \(c\) on the wave's propagation.

Contextual Notes

There is a noted ambiguity regarding the signs of \(b\) and \(c\), which affects the determination of the wave's direction. Participants are also considering the implications of the wave equation's form on their conclusions.

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Homework Statement


Given an equation for a wave \psi(x,t) = A e^{-a(bx+ct)^{2}} determine the direction of its propagation if you know \psi(x,t) = f(x \pm vt) and use this to find its speed.

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I figured I would just rearrange the expression in the exponent, so as to yield x + \frac{c}{b}t, and then just read off v = \pm\frac{c}{b}. However, if we don't know whether \psi(x,t) = f(x + vt) or \psi(x,t) = f(x - vt), can we really determine the direction of its propagation?

Also, I found somewhere the answer to this question would uniquely be v = -\frac{c}{b} by letting bx + ct = C, and then after solving for x, x = \frac{C}{b} - \frac{c}{b}, taking the derivative with respect to time, yielding the above unique solution with the minus sign. Is this the proper way of doing things instead of just rearranging the expression like I did?

Thanks!
 
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Either way is fair game!
 
Ryker said:
I figured I would just rearrange the expression in the exponent, so as to yield x + \frac{c}{b}t, and then just read off v = \pm\frac{c}{b}. However, if we don't know whether \psi(x,t) = f(x + vt) or \psi(x,t) = f(x - vt), can we really determine the direction of its propagation?
The only difference between f(x+vt) and f(x-vt) is the direction that the wave propagates. f(x-vt) represents a wave moving in the +x direction, and f(x+vt) represents a wave moving in the -x direction, where v>0 is the speed of the wave. Whether v=±c/b depends on the signs of b and c.
 
klawlor419 said:
Either way is fair game!

vela said:
The only difference between f(x+vt) and f(x-vt) is the direction that the wave propagates. f(x-vt) represents a wave moving in the +x direction, and f(x+vt) represents a wave moving in the -x direction, where v>0 is the speed of the wave. Whether v=±c/b depends on the signs of b and c.
Thanks for the replies! After thinking about it some more, that's what I figured, as well, as I just couldn't justify why there would necessarily be a minus sign.
 

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