Determining equilibrium position between two springs

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The discussion revolves around determining the equilibrium position between two springs acting on a mass. The subject area involves concepts of forces, spring mechanics, and equilibrium conditions.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants explore the concept of equilibrium, questioning how to find the position where the forces from both springs cancel each other out. There is discussion about the implications of having two unknowns and the potential need for additional constraints related to the lengths of the springs.

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Some participants have provided insights into the relationship between the forces and the equilibrium condition, suggesting that additional information about the system's constraints may be necessary. There is an ongoing exploration of the mathematical relationships involved in the problem.

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Participants note that the problem may involve constraints related to the total lengths of the springs and their displacements at equilibrium, which are not fully detailed in the original post.

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I do not understand how this works, and I haven't been able to find any examples of this.
 

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Equilibrium would imply that the net force on the mass is zero. The only 2 forces are the forces from either spring. So you must find the position at which the spring forces cancel out. Remember that force from a spring is F = -kx, where x is displacement from equilibrium position and is a vector quantity.
 
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As the above poster said, the net force on the mass is going to be zero because it's in equilibrium, meaning you can equate the two spring forces. That will give you one equation with two unknowns, meaning you're missing some piece of information. When it's not obvious, it's usually some constraint equation you're overlooking, and in this case it will be related to the total length of both springs. Because the forces are in equilibrium and you're given their lengths when not stretched, you can deduce a piece of information about their lengths in the equilibrium state that will allow you to solve the equation and find the block's position.
 
distance equals spring length + spring displacement at equilibrium: d=1+x1
distance equals total system length - length of second spring and its displacement: d=3-(1+x2)
equate both expressions: 1+x1=3-1-x2 isolate x2: x2=1-x1

forces are equal at equilibrium => k1x1=k2x2 isolate x2: x2=(k1x1)/k2

equate both expressions of x2:
(k1x1)/k2 = 1-x1 => x1=k2/(k1+k2)

=> d=1+x1= 1+k2/(k1+k2) = 1+ 300/400 = 1.75 m
 

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