Did I do this right an F=ma need to find Initial Speed?

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The discussion revolves around calculating the initial speed of a car using the formula F=ma, given its mass, braking force, and stopping distance. The user initially calculated acceleration and time but made an error in applying the time formula, which requires the initial velocity. Despite the mistake, the final calculation for initial velocity resulted in -80.36 m/s, which is correct, as velocities can be negative depending on the defined direction of motion. The conversation clarifies that while velocity can be negative, initial speed, as a scalar quantity, remains positive. Understanding the vector nature of velocity and acceleration is crucial for accurate problem-solving in physics.
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Did I do this right an F=ma need to find Initial Speed?

Need help on this.
A car whose mass is 2600 kg can produce an unbalanced braking force of 2765N.
Calculate the car's initial speed in order to have a stopping distance of 3036.3m.
Vi=?
So...
m=2600kg
F=2765N
s=3036.3m
Vf=0

So I found acceleration of a=F/m = 2765/2600 = 1.06346m/s^2
So I have to find time=Square root of 2(3036.33)/1.06346 = 75.56605s
So I would use this formula to solve for Vi? right
Vi=Vf -at
Vi = 0 - (1.06346)(75.56605) = -80.3614 m/s
Is the negative right?
IS THIS CORRECT if not please show me where I went wrong
Thanks
Jo
 
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Where you have found the time you have made a mistake since that formula requires the initial velocity too.
 


Kurdt said:
Where you have found the time you have made a mistake since that formula requires the initial velocity too.

Hi Kurdt,
I used the time formula where you use distancex2 over acceleration. THAT is wrong your saying?
What formula should I use?
 


Yes, that's wrong. It came from d=v0t + (1/2)at^2; you only get t=sqrt(2d/a) if v0=0, which, in this case, it's not. However, you got the right answer at the end because acceleration is symmetrical with respect to time. That is, if you record a car decelerating to 0 at -1.06 m/s^2 and play the video backwards at 1 second per second, the car would seem to be accelerating at 1.06 m/s^2 to its initial speed. That's why using t=sqrt(2d/a) worked.
 


Hi Ideasule.
So the -80.3614 m/s is correct?
So the Vi can have a negative number then?
I thought it could not have a negative on a Vi?
 


Velocities and accelerations are vector quantities, so they can certainly be negative. For Vi, yes, -80.36 m/s. If you don't explain the fact about time symmetry, however, you wouldn't get full credit on a test.

Whether Vi is positive or negative depends on which way you define as positive. Here, you used a=1.06 m/s^2, which means you've defined "backwards" as positive. It's not surprising, then, that initial velocity would be negative. (Initial SPEED, however, is not; speed is a scalar.)
 
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