Difference between Static and Kinetic coefficients of friction?

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The discussion revolves around the differences between the static and kinetic coefficients of friction, focusing on their definitions and applications in physics. Participants explore the conditions under which each coefficient applies, particularly in relation to stationary and moving objects.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants attempt to clarify the definitions of static and kinetic friction, questioning the correctness of wording and understanding. Some explore the implications of using each coefficient in calculations and whether both can be present in a single scenario.

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There is a productive exchange of ideas regarding the definitions and applications of the coefficients. Some participants provide affirmations and clarifications, while others raise questions about the conditions under which each coefficient is applicable. The discussion appears to be ongoing, with no explicit consensus reached.

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Participants note that in introductory physics, typically only one coefficient is used at a time based on the object's state (stationary or in motion). There is mention of unique scenarios in mechanical engineering where both coefficients might be relevant, but these are not common in basic physics problems.

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Homework Statement


What is the difference between Static and Kinetic coefficients of friction?

2. The attempt at a solution
I think Static coefficient of friction is one which refers to friction which is considered when the object is stationary and Kinetic coefficient of friction is one which refers to the friction which is considered when the object is in motion.

3. The assistance that I require
Is this correct, is my wording correct too, how can my wording be improved?
 
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Pretty much sounds good to me. I guess the only clarification you could give is static is when an objective is stationary relative to the other contact object and then kinetic is when the objective is rubbing/moving relative to the other contact object.
 


Basically yes, when two bodies in contact are not moving relative to each other, we're talking about the static coefficient (which, multiplied by the normal reaction to the surface, produces the tangential frictional force which prevents motion), and when there exists motion, you're talking about the kinetic coefficient (which is usually less than the static coefficient). It's pretty much a fundamental concept, and can be found everywhere on the net. Try wiki, for example.
 
Hi Air! :smile:
Air said:
I think Static coefficient of friction is one which refers to friction which is considered when the object is stationary and Kinetic coefficient of friction is one which refers to the friction which is considered when the object is in motion.

You could also say which coefficient is greater, and whether the friction force is equal to the normal force times the coefficient. :wink:
 


You can never have both situations in one calculations, right? If given a question and we are given both values, when the object is stationary we use static coefficient and when in motion we use kinetic coefficient. In a calculation it's either one or the other? It's based on the question and we make judgements?
 


Air said:
You can never have both situations in one calculations, right? If given a question and we are given both values, when the object is stationary we use static coefficient and when in motion we use kinetic coefficient. In a calculation it's either one or the other? It's based on the question and we make judgements?

In introductory physics, that is correct; you'll have one or the other at each interface. You may have both in a problem (professors are fond of thinking up problems where one block is able to slide while another does not but just look at each individual interface).

In mechanical engineering, there is a situation where both are present, but that is a unique problem and, to the best of my knowledge, never presented in physics.
 


Air said:
You can never have both situations in one calculations, right? If given a question and we are given both values, when the object is stationary we use static coefficient and when in motion we use kinetic coefficient. In a calculation it's either one or the other? It's based on the question and we make judgements?
I just want to emphasize what has already been pointed out: The static coefficient is used when the object is stationary with respect to the surface it is in contact with . An object might be in motion with respect to the ground, but not in motion with respect to the surface it is in contact with.
 


Theoretically, you could have an incline with a growing angle A (imagine a box on the back of an unloading kipper truck). Since the angle is growing, the component of the weight of the box which opposes the force of static friction, G*sin(A), is growing too, and can overcome the force of friction. Once the box starts sliding down, the coefficient of kinetic friction is "activated".
 

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