Different descriptions of electrostatic energy

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The discussion revolves around understanding the formulation of electrostatic energy contributions in the context of a paper involving Green's function solutions to the Poisson equation. The original poster is attempting to reconcile different expressions for electrostatic energy, particularly in relation to dielectric materials.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to derive an expression for electrostatic energy by manipulating equations involving electric fields and potentials, while questioning the treatment of charge types (free vs. bound) in the context of dielectrics.
  • Some participants question the assumptions regarding the nature of the charge in the integrals and the implications of using different forms of the divergence equation.
  • Others suggest reconsidering the definitions and identities used in the derivation, particularly the distinction between total charge and free charge.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring various interpretations of the equations and the implications of different charge types. Some guidance has been offered regarding the correct divergence formula, but there is no explicit consensus on how to proceed with the derivation.

Contextual Notes

Participants are navigating the complexities of electrostatics in the presence of dielectrics, with specific attention to how bound charges affect the overall energy formulation. There is an acknowledgment of the ambiguity in the signs and definitions used in the original paper.

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This is actually a question pertaining to a paper I'm trying to understand (PRB 73, 115407 (2006)), but I decided to put it here just to be safe.

Homework Statement


The paper I'm reading involves starting with an electrostatic energy contribution, and rewriting it with a green's function solution to the Poisson equation rather than the standard 1/r form to incorporate a dielectric. The step I'm missing, though, is in how the author formulates the energy contribution at first.

Homework Equations


The electrostatic energy contribution to the total energy is described like so:
[itex]-\int \frac{\epsilon(r)}{8\pi}\left|\nabla V(r)\right|^{2}d^{3}r +\int \rho(r) V(r)d^{3}r[/itex].
After incorporating the green's function solution (which is not relevant to my holdup), the term becomes the more familiar (to me at least):
[itex]\frac{1}{2}\int \rho(r) V(r)d^{3}r[/itex]. (the sign on this term is ambiguous as it is defined as positive in the paper and negative in an online formulation written by the same author)


The Attempt at a Solution


Starting from the top equation..
[itex]-\int \frac{\epsilon(r)}{8\pi}\left|\nabla V(r)\right|^{2}d^{3}r +\int \rho(r) V(r)d^{3}r[/itex]
and plugging in the identity: [itex]\textbf{E} = - \nabla V(r)[/itex], I am left with
[itex]\int \frac{\epsilon(r)}{8\pi}\nabla V(r) \cdot \textbf{E} d^{3}r+\int \rho(r) V(r)d^{3}r [/itex]
Then using Gauss' theorem yields:
[itex]\int \frac{\epsilon(r)}{8\pi}\nabla \cdot (V(r)\textbf{E}) d^{3}r-\int \frac{\epsilon(r)}{8\pi} V(r) (\nabla \cdot \textbf{E}) d^{3}r+\int \rho(r) V(r)d^{3}r [/itex]
By the Divergence theorem, the first term is equivalent to [itex]\oint (V(r) \textbf{E}) \cdot d\textbf{A}[/itex] which is zero under the assumption that the potential vanishes at infinity. The last step is where I am struggling. At first I thought I would merely plug in the identity [itex]\nabla \cdot \textbf{E} = 4\pi \rho[/itex], but this still leaves me with a dangling permittivity within the integral. I tried going through everything again substituting in the electric displacement instead of the field, but then my last step will have a [itex]\rho_f[/itex] instead of the total charge.

Anyone know where I'm going wrong with this?
 
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Mexicorn said:
At first I thought I would merely plug in the identity [itex]\nabla \cdot \textbf{E} = 4\pi \rho[/itex],

The correct formula is [itex]\nabla \cdot \textbf{D} = 4\pi \rho[/itex]

ehild
 
Shouldn't the form be [itex]\nabla \cdot \textbf{D} = \rho_{free}[/itex] which would have me missing a part of the total charge?

Going through the steps using [itex]\textbf{D}=-\epsilon(r)\nabla V(r)[/itex] gives me the following result:
[itex]-\int \frac{1}{2} V(r) \rho_{free}(r) d^{3}r + \int \rho_{total}(r) V(r) d^{3}r[/itex]

I don't see how I can combine a total charge with just a free charge (coming from the dielectric displacement). This model is used where there will be dielectric areas which should accumulate bound charges...

Thank you, ehild, for taking a look at this.
 
Are you sure the charge in the second integral is not free charge?

ehild
 

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