Differential equations: applying force to projectile

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The discussion focuses on modifying a series of differential equations to include an additional force acting on a projectile's path. The original equations were adjusted based on the components of gravity and the new force, but the resulting plots showed unexpected projectile movement to the left instead of the anticipated right. Participants suggested checking the signs in the equations, particularly in the thetadot equation, to ensure directional accuracy. Flipping the sign of the second term improved the results, but questions remained about the magnitude and trigonometric reasoning behind the adjustments. The conversation highlights the complexities of incorporating additional forces into projectile motion equations.
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Homework Statement


The following series of differential equations represents a projectile's path when solved (g=9.81):
nANP9I9.png

Modify this series of differential equations to account for an additional force F with vector components a and b acting on the projectile.

Here is a sample plot of this system:
TeUvVr2.png


Homework Equations


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The Attempt at a Solution


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Knowing that gravity is a force with a positive i-component and negative j-component, I attempted to apply the same logic to F. This resulted in:

vdot = -g*sin(theta) + a*cos(theta) + b*sin(theta)
and
thetadot = -g/v*cos(theta) + a/v*sin(theta) + b/v*cos(theta)

However, that solution didn't appear to be correct, as when I plotted this out with F with a positive i-component and a negative j-component, I got this plot:
ovgeY6g.png

From intuition, the positive i-component should have caused the projectile path to move to the right more (hard to describe in words, but I hope you get what I mean), but instead, with my system (somehow), the projectile somehow happens to move to the left and go to the negative x-axis. Because my attempt to apply how gravity was represented in this system to how an arbitrary force would be represented, well, failed, I am currently stuck.

As this is my first post, I'm not sure whether it belongs in the introductory or advanced section (as it involves differential equations, but is a simple system). Sorry in advance if it's wrong.
 
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Check the signs in your thetadot equation.
 
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haruspex said:
Check the signs in your thetadot equation.
Flipping the sign of the second term appears to make it be more reasonable, and I understand why that makes sense from a directional perspective. However, I'm unsure if the actual magnitude is correct, if you get what I'm saying...

Here's what it looks like with a flipped second term:
BQrw8pV.png

It's more reasonable, but I don't understand it from a trigonometry perspective. In addition, if that's the case, shouldn't I also flip the sign in the vdot equation? If not, why?
 
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gnumoe said:
Flipping the sign of the second term appears to make it be more reasonable, and I understand why that makes sense from a directional perspective. However, I'm unsure if the actual magnitude is correct, if you get what I'm saying...

Here's what it looks like with a flipped second term:
BQrw8pV.png

It's more reasonable, but I don't understand it from a trigonometry perspective. In addition, if that's the case, shouldn't I also flip the sign in the vdot equation? If not, why?
Patterns like
+sin +cos
-cos +sin
arise frequently, since as a matrix it represents a rotation.
While moving up and to the right, v is in the first quadrant but ##\dot \theta## is in the second quadrant, so a force horizontally to the right is positive for ##\dot v## but negative for ##\ddot \theta##.
 
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