A Difficulties with derivative of a vector [Landau Textbook]

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The discussion revolves around computing the derivative of a function with respect to time and spatial coordinates, specifically in the context of a problem from the Landau textbook. The user is trying to derive an equation related to the spatial dependence of a vector and its time dependence, leading to a complex expression involving derivatives. Clarification is sought regarding the notation used for the unit vector components, specifically whether it represents the modulus or a simplified notation. It is confirmed that the notation refers to the components of the unit vector rather than its modulus, highlighting the potential confusion due to the authors' choice of symbols. The conversation concludes with the user expressing satisfaction after understanding the explanation.
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Hi guys, I'm having trouble computing a pass 1 to 106.15. It's in the pictures.

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So, what a have to do is the derivative of ##f## with respect to time and coordinates. Then I need to rearrange the terms to find the equation 106.15. I am using the following conditions. ##r## vector varies in space and the vector ##r_a## varies in time.

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This calculus is from. (Section 106)
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The spatial dependence of ##f## is in the argument ##\mathbf{r}##, whilst the time dependence is in the source positions ##\mathbf{r}_a##\begin{align*}
\partial_{\alpha} |\mathbf{r} - \mathbf{r}_a| &= \frac{x_{\alpha} - x_{a \alpha}}{|\mathbf{r} - \mathbf{r}_a|} = n_{a \alpha}

\end{align*}Then taking the time derivative\begin{align*}
\partial_t \partial_{\alpha} |\mathbf{r} - \mathbf{r}_a| = \partial_t \left( \frac{x_{\alpha} - x_{a \alpha}}{|\mathbf{r} - \mathbf{r}_a|} \right) &= \frac{-v_{a \alpha}}{|\mathbf{r} - \mathbf{r}_a|} + (x_{\alpha} - x_{a \alpha}) \partial_t \left( \frac{1}{|\mathbf{r} - \mathbf{r}_a|} \right) \\

&= \frac{-v_{a \alpha}}{|\mathbf{r} - \mathbf{r}_a|} + \frac{-(x_{\alpha} - x_{a \alpha})}{|\mathbf{r} - \mathbf{r}_a|^2} \left( \frac{(\mathbf{r} - \mathbf{r}_a) \cdot (-\mathbf{v}_a )}{|\mathbf{r} - \mathbf{r}_a|} \right) \\

&= \frac{-v_{a \alpha}}{|\mathbf{r} - \mathbf{r}_a|} + \frac{n_{a \alpha} (\mathbf{n}_a \cdot \mathbf{v}_a)}{|\mathbf{r} - \mathbf{r}_a|}

\end{align*}Hence if ##f = -(k/2) \sum_a m_a |\mathbf{r} - \mathbf{r}_a |##, then\begin{align*}

\frac{\partial^2 f}{\partial t \partial x^a} &= \frac{k}{2} \sum_a m_a \left[ \frac{v_{a \alpha}}{|\mathbf{r} - \mathbf{r}_a|} - \frac{n_{a \alpha} (\mathbf{n}_a \cdot \mathbf{v}_a)}{|\mathbf{r} - \mathbf{r}_a|} \right]\end{align*}and consequently\begin{align*}
h_{0 \alpha} &= \frac{8k}{2c^3} \sum_a \frac{m_a v_{a\alpha}}{|\mathbf{r} - \mathbf{r}_a|} - \frac{k}{2c^3} \sum_a \left[ \frac{m_av_{a \alpha}}{|\mathbf{r} - \mathbf{r}_a|} - \frac{m_a n_{a \alpha} (\mathbf{n}_a \cdot \mathbf{v}_a)}{|\mathbf{r} - \mathbf{r}_a|} \right] \\

&= \frac{k}{2c^3} \sum_a \frac{m_a}{|\mathbf{r} - \mathbf{r}_a|} \left[ 7v_{a \alpha} + n_{a \alpha} (\mathbf{n}_a \cdot \mathbf{v}_a ) \right]\end{align*}
 
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etotheipi said:
The spatial dependence of ##f## is in the argument ##\mathbf{r}##, whilst the time dependence is in the source positions ##\mathbf{r}_a##\begin{align*}
\partial_{\alpha} |\mathbf{r} - \mathbf{r}_a| &= \frac{x_{\alpha} - x_{a \alpha}}{|\mathbf{r} - \mathbf{r}_a|} = n_{a \alpha}

\end{align*}Then taking the time derivative\begin{align*}
\partial_t \partial_{\alpha} |\mathbf{r} - \mathbf{r}_a| = \partial_t \left( \frac{x_{\alpha} - x_{a \alpha}}{|\mathbf{r} - \mathbf{r}_a|} \right) &= \frac{-v_{a \alpha}}{|\mathbf{r} - \mathbf{r}_a|} + (x_{\alpha} - x_{a \alpha}) \partial_t \left( \frac{1}{|\mathbf{r} - \mathbf{r}_a|} \right) \\

&= \frac{-v_{a \alpha}}{|\mathbf{r} - \mathbf{r}_a|} + \frac{-(x_{\alpha} - x_{a \alpha})}{|\mathbf{r} - \mathbf{r}_a|^2} \left( \frac{(\mathbf{r} - \mathbf{r}_a) \cdot (-\mathbf{v}_a )}{|\mathbf{r} - \mathbf{r}_a|} \right) \\

&= \frac{-v_{a \alpha}}{|\mathbf{r} - \mathbf{r}_a|} + \frac{n_{a \alpha} (\mathbf{n}_a \cdot \mathbf{v}_a)}{|\mathbf{r} - \mathbf{r}_a|}

\end{align*}Hence if ##f = -(k/2) \sum_a m_a |\mathbf{r} - \mathbf{r}_a |##, then\begin{align*}

\frac{\partial^2 f}{\partial t \partial x^a} &= \frac{k}{2} \sum_a m_a \left[ \frac{v_{a \alpha}}{|\mathbf{r} - \mathbf{r}_a|} - \frac{n_{a \alpha} (\mathbf{n}_a \cdot \mathbf{v}_a)}{|\mathbf{r} - \mathbf{r}_a|} \right]\end{align*}and consequently\begin{align*}
h_{0 \alpha} &= \frac{8k}{2c^3} \sum_a \frac{m_a v_{a\alpha}}{|\mathbf{r} - \mathbf{r}_a|} - \frac{k}{2c^3} \sum_a \left[ \frac{m_av_{a \alpha}}{|\mathbf{r} - \mathbf{r}_a|} - \frac{m_a n_{a \alpha} (\mathbf{n}_a \cdot \mathbf{v}_a)}{|\mathbf{r} - \mathbf{r}_a|} \right] \\

&= \frac{k}{2c^3} \sum_a \frac{m_a}{|\mathbf{r} - \mathbf{r}_a|} \left[ 7v_{a \alpha} + n_{a \alpha} (\mathbf{n}_a \cdot \mathbf{v}_a ) \right]\end{align*}
Thx man, I'll take a time to understand and check it. Thank you a lot.

EDIT: I checked it and everything is fine and i could undestand the whole explanation, except for one little thing. What u were considering to write it '##n_{a \alpha}##'. It is the modul of the unit vector, or it is just a simplifyed notation to write ##\frac{x_{\alpha} - x_{a \alpha}}{|\mathbf{r} - \mathbf{r}_a|}## ?
 
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GrimGuy said:
EDIT: I checked it and everything is fine and i could undestand the whole explanation, except for one little thing. What u were considering to write it '##n_{a \alpha}##'. It is the modul of the unit vector, or it is just a simplifyed notation to write ##\frac{x_{\alpha} - x_{a \alpha}}{|\mathbf{r} - \mathbf{r}_a|}## ?
Not the modulus, it's the second option: the ##\alpha## component of the vector ##\mathbf{n}_a := (\mathbf{r} - \mathbf{r}_a)/|\mathbf{r} - \mathbf{r}_a|##, as L&L define below the bit you posted. So ##n_{a \alpha} := (\mathbf{r} - \mathbf{r}_a)_{\alpha}/|\mathbf{r} - \mathbf{r}_a| = (x_{\alpha} - x_{a \alpha})/|\mathbf{r} - \mathbf{r}_a|##

I'll admit it's a slightly confusing notation on the authors' part, using ##a## to enumerate the different sources and ##\alpha## to denote vector components 😜