Dimensions Defined without Coordinates?

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The discussion explores the concept of dimension without relying on traditional coordinate systems, questioning whether dimensions can be defined independently of multidimensional reference frames. It emphasizes the relationship between dimension and direction, suggesting that direction can exist without a coordinate system or reference frame. The conversation also touches on the physical meaning of angles and the possibility of defining them without coordinates. The use of algebraically closed fields, such as C^n, is presented as a means to understand dimension through the Krull dimension, highlighting that these concepts can be understood in a coordinate-free manner. Overall, the thread concludes that a physical model is not necessary for defining dimensions, directions, or angles.
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Dimensions Defined without Coordinates?

Mathematicians, I'm sure, have solidly clear idea of dimension but not to me. So allow me to ask some questions for all who have a clear understanding of the concept of dimension.

Can we define dimension without the use of so called multidimensional reference frames with their equal number of coordinates? 3 coordinates in Cartesian system. 4 coordinates in Einstein's relativities. 10 and 11 coordinates(?) in superstring and M-theory.

What is the true relational correspondence between dimension and direction?

How can direction be defined without a coordinate system or a reference frame?

What is the physical meaning of angles (plane, solid and abstract phase angle)? Can direction be defined without angles?
 
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The answer to all your questions is yes - there is nothing to require you to have a phyisical model in defining any of these things.

Take C^n as affine n space over the complex numbers, or any other algebraically closed field. n, the dimension is the krull dimension - the maximal length of a chain of ideals satifying certain properties.

Any space with a real inner product may have angles between (position) vectors defined by the angle between a and b is given by (a,b)=(a,a)^{1/2}(b,b)^{1/2}cos{theta}

and all these are coordinate free objects.
 
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