Displacement & distance on velocity vs time graph

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The discussion revolves around calculating final displacement and total distance traveled from a velocity vs. time graph. Participants explore the relationship between displacement, distance, and the areas under and above the x-axis in the graph.

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  • Participants discuss the calculation of areas above and below the x-axis to determine distance and displacement. There are attempts to clarify the significance of these areas and how they relate to the integral of velocity.

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Several participants have provided calculations and interpretations of the areas under the graph. There is ongoing exploration of the correct values for displacement and total distance, with some participants questioning their previous calculations and assumptions.

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Participants note the importance of understanding the graph's representation of velocity over time and the implications of positive and negative areas in calculating displacement. There is mention of potential confusion regarding the scale of the graph and the values derived from it.

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How do I calculate final displacement and the total distance traveled in the graph above.

I know displacement is independent of the pathway so the distance traveled on the last point is 44 m and the first point is 0 m.

I also know for distance that you have to calculate the area of the triangle above the x-axis (1/2*b*h) but I'm not sure how to calculate the area under the x-axis.
 
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bumblebee said:
How do I calculate final displacement and the total distance traveled in the graph above.

I know displacement is independent of the pathway so the distance traveled on the last point is 44 m and the first point is 0 m.

I also know for distance that you have to calculate the area of the triangle above the x-axis (1/2*b*h) but I'm not sure how to calculate the area under the x-axis.

To be simple minded about it you can just say 1/2 base times height above and sub out 1/2 base times height of the areas below the x-axis as well as the base times height of the rectangular area.

For instance above x-axis positive area is 1/2 (5 - 1) * (8).
Below the line be careful about which triangles you choose and which rectangles to fully account for all the area.

The important thing is you understand what the area of this function represents. It is the integral of F(t) which is Velocity(t) from 0 to 11 seconds. The integral of velocity is ... distance.

If you needed acceleration, that would be the derivative of this Velocity(t), and the slopes of those lines would be the acceleration during those time intervals.
 
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For area under the x-axis I got 34 so 34 + 16 = 50 m?

This is what I did: 12 x (8-5) x (1/2) = 18

area of rectangle: 1 x 12 = 12 - [(1/2) * 1 * 8] = 8

4 x (11 - 9) = 8

18 + 8 + 8 = 34
 
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bumblebee said:
For area under the x-axis I got 34 so 34 + 16 = 50 m?

This is what I did: 12 x (8-5) x (1/2) = 18

area of rectangle: 1 x 12 = 12 - [(1/2) * 1 * 8] = 8

4 x (11 - 9) = 8

18 + 8 + 8 = 34

That's correct.
 
Okay let me try again.

Is it 26 m?

(26 + 16 = 42)?
 
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bumblebee said:
Okay let me try again.

Is it 26 m?

(26 + 16 = 42)?

I think 50 is the right answer. I originally posted I thought it was wrong by 1 and then realized the y scale was 2 per unit and changed my post. Maybe you were quick enough to catch my first posting of it before I corrected (edited) myself. If so, sorry for any inconvenience.
 
No problem.

So for displacement would you use [v1 + v2 / 2] * t = d?

[0 + -44]/2 x [11-1] =

-22/10 = - 2.2 m?

This does not seem right.
 
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bumblebee said:
No problem.

So for displacement would you use [v1 + v2 / 2] * t = d?

[0 + -44]/2 x [11-1] =

-22/10 = - 2.2 m?

This does not seem right.

Wait a minute. A big mistake. We made it together.

The positive area above V=0 is 16. The area below V=0 is 34 but that is negative. That means there is negative total displacement of 16 - 34 = -18.
The distance traveled is 50 m.

Now the 44 m you are talking about I am not understanding where that comes from.
 
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LowlyPion said:
Wait a minute. A big mistake. We made it together.

The positive area above V=0 is 16. The area below V=0 is 34 but that is negative. That means there is negative total displacement of 16 - 34 = -18.

Now the 44 m you are talking about I am not understanding where that comes from.

I got -44 by multiplying -4.0 m/s * 11.0 s = - 44 m.
 
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bumblebee said:
I got -44 by multiplying -4.0 m/s * 11.0 s = - 44 m.

But -4 m/s is only the velocity at 11 seconds. The graph is the locus of all previous velocities at all previous points back to t = 0.
 
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LowlyPion said:
But -4 m/s is only the velocity at 11 seconds. The graph is the locus of all previous velocities at all previous points back to t = 0.


Got it. Thanks.
 

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