Division by Zero: 1/0 = 1

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In summary, after considering division by zero as being "un-defined", it is clear that the expression 1/0 divided by 1/0 is undefined, as division is not defined for meaningless symbols. Additionally, the concept of undefined is different from that of a variable, as a variable represents an unknown or unspecified value, not an undefined one. Furthermore, algebraic operations cannot be applied to concepts such as infinity or divide by zero, as they do not follow the rules of arithmetic. While it may be possible to define infinity and perform operations on it, this would result in the loss of certain properties of fields. Thus, it is not recommended to redefine algebraic structures in order to accommodate infinity and divide by zero.
  • #36
The point is, you can't write any valid equation involving something that doesn't exist!
 
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  • #37
mathmike said:
but the implication of [x / 0] / [x / 0] = 1 is perposterous. but you are right in saying that it can be manipulated to get a numerical result

To say that it equals zero is even more preposterous. I think we've reached a conclusion for this thread: abstract concepts cannot follow all of the same rules as concrete numbers.
 
  • #38
No matter how "abstract" a object is (in mathematics), it is still defined "as rigorously" as something more "concrete". Different objects obey different rules, but some objects don't have laxer rules making them less well-defined.
 
  • #39
Agreed. My only point was that you cannot apply all of the rules of algebra to infinity and division by zero.
 
  • #40
yes but i can show that the limit is zero when x approches 0 but it cannot be shown in any manner that it is 1. so saying it is zero is not perposterous, in fact it follows l'hopitals therom. can you show that the limit is in any way 1.
 
  • #41
The limit of the particular function you mentioned is zero. Limits of the form inf/inf generally are not zero.
 
  • #42
actually more often than not they are zero.
 
  • #43
What do you mean by "more often than not"? You took the example of f(x)=x/e^x, but one could just as easily take f(x)=(e^x)/x, which clearly approaches infinity as x approaches infinity. And in any case, niether example shows what (1/0)/(1/0) is equal to, they simply show how some particular functions behave as they approach this.
 

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