As you are presumably aware, HCl is one of the interim products of mixing ammonia with bleach, and it further reacts with bleach to produce free chlorine gas ##-## https://sciencenotes.org/mixing-bleach-and-ammonia-heres-what-happens/mjc123 said:They are the same thing. There are no free protons in aqueous solution; they are always solvated, so they are H3O+(aq), or more generally H(H2O)n+(aq). We often write H+(aq) for simplicity, but it must be remembered that H+(aq) is always solvated by water molecules.
And what's the reference to ammonia in the title?
Still available in hardware stores; more an indication of low purity than "antiquated."DrJohn said:nor any textbook
DrJohn said:Should we start writing word equations like muriatic acid and caustic soda react giving halite and aqua, just because hardware stores use old names, or perhaps tell students to get some aqua fortis from the shelf, or pour into the flask some acid of sugar, don't drop those two cubits of vermillion on the floor, or forget the green vitriol and green verditer? How about burnt ochre or butter of antimony? We all know what oil of vitriol, halite, Chile saltpetre and cream of tartare are, of course, but do these names help a beginner learning chemistry? Tartaric acid isn't helpful either. Liver of sulfur threw me off balance, especially when the source said the real chemical name is sulfurated potash! Although I did do the crystals in water glass experiments as a child ;)
Names like these make chemistry seem like alchemy and some sort of incomprehensible magic spell, something that only the secret super-clever initiated ones can understand, and its not for ordinary students. We should stick to the standard names used by all scientists and standard textbooks. No teacher using the above names in a set of reactions in class would be facing an interview from the head of department.
In my language, we call it "salt acid" (direct translation) and never refer to it as "hydrochloric acid" except in English writings. Might be partially cultural.DrJohn said:Also, muriatic acid is a name from antiquity. I have never in my rather long life heard any scientist use that name, nor any textbook. I think I heard it in the early 60s being referred to as an old name from a long time ago. It only appears in quiz shows as a question or books written for children by non- scientists. Why they do this just doesn't make sense to me. We are not alchemists! So stick to the correct name, hydrochloric acid.
Same for names like chlorate of soda and chlorate of lime from the 1820s. Or chlorate of potash or Berthollet's salt (1786, and described as a "well-known" alternative name for a particular chemical) - the latter gives you no idea as to what it is, does it? I suspect that perhaps these antique names are only used by those looking at the history of chemistry.
What either is or used to be, go to a hardware store you could find Muriatic Acid which was some ~20% Hydrochloric Acid.DrJohn said:Also, muriatic acid is a name from antiquity. I have never in my rather long life heard any scientist use that name, nor any textbook. I think I heard it in the early 60s being referred to as an old name from a long time ago. It only appears in quiz shows as a question or books written for children by non- scientists. Why they do this just doesn't make sense to me. We are not alchemists! So stick to the correct name, hydrochloric acid.
What can be done? You want to argue with the hardware and retail companies?DrJohn said:Should we start writing word equations like muriatic acid and caustic soda react giving halite and aqua, just because hardware stores use old names, or perhaps tell students to get some aqua fortis from the shelf, or pour into the flask some acid of sugar, don't drop those two cubits of vermillion on the floor, or forget the green vitriol and green verditer? How about burnt ochre or butter of antimony? We all know what oil of vitriol, halite, Chile saltpetre and cream of tartare are, of course, but do these names help a beginner learning chemistry? Tartaric acid isn't helpful either. Liver of sulfur threw me off balance, especially when the source said the real chemical name is sulfurated potash! Although I did do the crystals in water glass experiments as a child ;)
Names like these make chemistry seem like alchemy and some sort of incomprehensible magic spell, something that only the secret super-clever initiated ones can understand, and its not for ordinary students. We should stick to the standard names used by all scientists and standard textbooks. No teacher using the above names in a set of reactions in class would be facing an interview from the head of department.
A very disagreeable language practice!Mayhem said:In my language, we call it "salt acid" (direct translation) and never refer to it as "hydrochloric acid" except in English writings. Might be partially cultural.
The chemical reaction that occurs when bleach is mixed with both oxide and oxygenless ammonia is the production of toxic gases, such as chloramine and nitrogen trichloride.
Yes, mixing bleach with both oxide and oxygenless ammonia can be extremely dangerous and can result in serious health hazards, including respiratory problems, chemical burns, and even death.
This is because bleach contains sodium hypochlorite, which reacts with ammonia to produce chloramine gas. The oxide and oxygenless ammonia also react with each other to produce nitrogen trichloride gas, which is highly toxic.
The symptoms of exposure to toxic gases produced by mixing bleach with both oxide and oxygenless ammonia may include difficulty breathing, coughing, irritation of the eyes, nose, and throat, and chest pain. In severe cases, it can also lead to chemical burns and even death.
The safest way to dispose of a mixture of bleach, oxide, and oxygenless ammonia is to dilute it with a large amount of water and then dispose of it in a well-ventilated area, away from any living spaces. It is also recommended to wear protective gear, such as gloves and a mask, while handling the mixture.