Does Core Material Influence the H-Field in a Toroidal Coil?

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The discussion centers around the influence of core material on the H-field in a toroidal coil, exploring theoretical aspects of electromagnetism, particularly in relation to Ampere's Law and the behavior of magnetic fields in different materials. Participants examine the relationship between free currents, bound currents, and the resulting magnetic fields in various configurations.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant asserts that the H-field is solely determined by free currents and does not depend on the core material, questioning how different H-field values can arise in a magnetic circuit with an air gap.
  • Another participant challenges this view, referencing a textbook that clarifies the divergence of the H-field is not solely determined by free currents, suggesting that the material's properties also play a role.
  • A third participant proposes that the magnetic field depends on both free and bound currents, noting that uniform magnetization within the core leads to no bound current density, yet surface bound currents can still affect the overall magnetic field.
  • Further, this participant discusses the relationship between magnetic flux density B and the H-field in both the ferromagnetic material and the air gap, indicating that H-field values differ significantly due to material properties.
  • Another participant agrees that the H-field inside the ferromagnetic material is smaller due to the effects of magnetization, providing a mathematical relationship to illustrate this point.
  • This participant also introduces the concept that the divergence of magnetization contributes to the H-field, particularly at the edge of the air gap, further complicating the relationship between H-field and core material.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the dependence of the H-field on core material, with some asserting it is independent while others argue that material properties significantly influence the H-field. The discussion remains unresolved, with multiple competing perspectives presented.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference various assumptions regarding uniform magnetization, the effects of non-linearity and hysteresis, and the implications of divergence in the context of the H-field, indicating that these factors may not be fully resolved within the discussion.

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H-field depends on core material of toroid?

If I got this right, the H-field does not depend on the material it is applied on and is only determined by its sources (free currents).

So, suppose that we have a toroidal coil and some undefined core. As far as the H-filed is concerned, it would not make a difference if that core was air, a ferromagnetic material or some combination of those two. The H-field would remain the same.

However, if we apply Ampere's Law to a simple magnetic circuit, consisting of a ferromagnetic coil toroid having a small air gap, the result would be (taken from theory):

HfLf + HgLg = NI, where f, g refer to ferromagnetic material and air gap respectively.

Obviously here Hg is much greater than Hf

Now I'm confused! I know that the magnetic flux must remain constant throughout the circuit, but still I can't grasp how Hg and Hf could be different (the distribution of free currents did not change)!

Any help much appreciated!
 
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Papikoss said:
If I got this right, the H-field does not depend on the material it is applied on and is only determined by its sources (free currents).

No, this is not true except in special cases (despite what my not-quite-up-to-speed EM lecturer once tried to tell me!). If you have David Griffith's electromagnetism textbook, then he addresses this point in Section 6.3.2, "A Deceptive Parallel". The point he makes is that a vector field like H is specified by giving its curl and divergence at every point in space. The curl \nabla \times \mathbf{H} is indeed determined by the free current, by Ampere's Law \nabla \times \mathbf{H} = \mathbf{J}_f, but divergence \nabla \cdot \mathbf{H} is not. In the absence of magnetic materials, H has zero divergence, but otherwise it might not.
 
Thank you for widening my horizons! Let’s see if I got this right this time:

The magnetic field depends both on free and bound currents.

In the example above (toroid with a ferromagnetic core, having a small gap) we can assume uniform magnetization within the core region, so no bound current density can be present, as is deducted from: \nabla\times\mathbf{M} = \mathbf{J}_b

However, this is not the case with bound currents on the surface of the core, having a distribution similar to the distribution of the free currents and contributing to the final magnetic field.

Now if we assume a constant magnetic flux throughout the magnetic circuit (and a constant cross-sectional area) then the magnitude of magnetic flux density B is a constant too.

So within the ferromagnetic material it is :

\Large\mathbf{H}_f = \frac{\mathbf{B}}{\mu_0} - \mathbf{M}

And within the gap area, where no magnetization applies,

\Large\mathbf{H}_g = \frac{\mathbf{B}}{\mu_0}

Apparently, \mathbf{H}_g\gg\mathbf{H}_f.

Is that whole approach correct?

Thanks in advance!

PS How can I change the LaTeX font size of the whole document to Large?
 
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Yes, the H field inside the ferromagnetic material is much smaller because the effect of the B field is mostly canceled by the magnetization. In particular, if we forget about non-linearity, hysteresis, etc., and just assume the material is characterized by a large magnetic susceptibility \chi_m, then we get

<br /> H_f = \frac{1}{1 + \chi_m}\frac{B}{\mu_0} \ll \frac{B}{\mu_0} = H_g<br />

Another way of thinking about this, in light of your original question, is that, in addition to the free current, there is a contribution to H from the divergence of the magnetization M (since \nabla \cdot \mathbf{H} = -\nabla \cdot \mathbf{M}). The only place that M has nonzero divergence is at the edge of the gap, so this part of the H field is like the electric field from a parallel-plate capacitor. Thus the H field is much greater inside the gap due to this contribution.
 
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