Does Geometry Influence Sound Propagation?

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The discussion revolves around a physics problem involving sound propagation and geometry, specifically the relationship between two recording devices set 2400 feet apart. A small explosive is detonated 400 feet from one device, and the goal is to determine the position of a second explosion north of the second device to achieve the same time difference in sound arrival. Participants explore the use of hyperbolas to model the situation, referencing the equation and properties of hyperbolas, including the roles of variables a, b, and c. There is confusion regarding the application of these concepts, particularly how to set up the equations correctly. The conversation emphasizes the need for a clearer understanding of hyperbolic geometry in relation to sound propagation.
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Homework Statement



Two recording devices are set 2400 feet apart, with the device at Point A to the west of the device at point B. At a point on a line between the devices, 400 feet from point B, a small amount of explosive is detonated. The recording devices record the time the sound reaches each one. How far directly north of site B should a second explosion be done so that the measured time difference recorded by the devices is the same as that for the first detonation?

Homework Equations



I have no clue.

The Attempt at a Solution



I've tried drawing a diagram and setting up an equation like this:
(x^2/(400^2))-(y^2/800sqrt(2))=1

now I have no idea if that is right or what to do after that.
 
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amd123 said:

Homework Statement



Two recording devices are set 2400 feet apart, with the device at Point A to the west of the device at point B. At a point on a line between the devices, 400 feet from point B, a small amount of explosive is detonated. The recording devices record the time the sound reaches each one. How far directly north of site B should a second explosion be done so that the measured time difference recorded by the devices is the same as that for the first detonation?

Homework Equations



I have no clue.
How about the formula for a hyperbola, and the relationship between a, b, and c in the formula?
amd123 said:

The Attempt at a Solution



I've tried drawing a diagram and setting up an equation like this:
(x^2/(400^2))-(y^2/800sqrt(2))=1

now I have no idea if that is right or what to do after that.
 
i know the hyperbola equation
and that c^2 = a^2 + b^2
 
And what are a, b, and c in your hyperbola? Where are the foci in your hyperbola? Where are the vertices in your hyperbola?

A property of hyperbolas that is important in this problem is that if P(x, y) is a point on the hyperbola, and if F1 and F2 are its two foci, then PF1 - PF1 equals a constant.
 
Im guessing that c = the distance between A and B.
a = the difference in time that the sound reaches the points
b = what I need to find?

I'm still unsure at how I'm reaching this conclusion, my book just says this is true and doesn't explain why.
 
amd123 said:
Im guessing that c = the distance between A and B.
a = the difference in time that the sound reaches the points
b = what I need to find?

I'm still unsure at how I'm reaching this conclusion, my book just says this is true and doesn't explain why.
Your book should provide some discussion of hyperbolas, including their equations and what a, b, and c mean. Here is a link to some other information - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperbola.
 
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