# Does wire length difference create phase shift?

• yahastu
In summary: This would cause a voltage difference between the two wires, called a voltage divider or series inductance.
yahastu
When wiring a 240 volt AC circuit, I've always assumed that it's important for L1 and L2 wires to be the exact same length, in order to avoid introducing a phase shift that would reduce peak voltage. Length differences can accumulate when the wires enter a panel and need to go slightly different places. However I can't find any information about this when I search. Is this true, or am i just being paranoid? is there any standards/ rules about this?

The short answer is that your sort of paranoid. The concept is absolutely correct, but you're way off in magnitude. If we assume that electricity travels at about 1/3 the speed of light in wires (a crude, but not unreasonable guess). Then the wavelength at 60Hz is roughly 2 million meters. So you can make a 1o phase shift if your wire lengths differ by about 5km.

anorlunda, yahastu and artis
@yahastu Basically what @DaveE said.
This would only be a problem if your house wiring worked on the mid Mhz and upwards frequency range, but then we wouldn't call it "house wiring" but "antenna looking like a house"

PS. I hope you took that advice we gave you in the other thread seriously before proceeding as I suppose you are with your "off grid" installation?

DaveE said:
The short answer is that your sort of paranoid. The concept is absolutely correct, but you're way off in magnitude. If we assume that electricity travels at about 1/3 the speed of light in wires (a crude, but not unreasonable guess). Then the wavelength at 60Hz is roughly 2 million meters. So you can make a 1o phase shift if your wire lengths differ by about 5km.

Awesome, thanks for explaining that. Makes sense!
artis said:
@yahastu Basically what @DaveE said.
This would only be a problem if your house wiring worked on the mid Mhz and upwards frequency range, but then we wouldn't call it "house wiring" but "antenna looking like a house"

PS. I hope you took that advice we gave you in the other thread seriously before proceeding as I suppose you are with your "off grid" installation?

The replies i received there did not seem to address to the questions i asked. However, after doing additional research, and consulting with another electrician, i feel fairly confident that i have found the answers to my questions.

yahastu said:
They did, I for one explained why certain ideas you had were dangerous.
Anyway be careful, since it's your house you will suffer from any mistakes made.

yahastu said:
Length differences can accumulate when the wires enter a panel and need to go slightly different places. However I can't find any information about this when I search. Is this true, or am i just being paranoid? is there any standards/ rules about this?
You are fixating and overthinking some things, while not realising others.

Wires are often twisted in a cable, so that all conductors will have approximately the same length when the cable passes around a corner of the minimum design radius. The twist puts equal physical tension on all wires in the bundle, but it also keeps the accumulating electrical phase difference the same between conductors.

Once you separate the individual conductors from the bundle, it becomes critically important that the wires of one circuit share the same path through a metal frame, and always pass together through only one hole in a metal bulkhead. The external magnetic fields of the two or three circuit conductors can only cancel if the wires follow the same magnetic path. If the circuit wires were to pass through separate holes in a steel bulkhead, the magnetic field in the material between the holes would be multiple times that of a single conductor.

Averagesupernova

## 1. What is phase shift?

Phase shift refers to the difference in timing between two waveforms. It is measured in degrees and can occur when two signals have different frequencies or when one signal is delayed compared to the other.

## 2. How does wire length affect phase shift?

Wire length can affect phase shift because it can introduce a delay in the transmission of the signal. The longer the wire, the longer it takes for the signal to travel, resulting in a phase shift between the original signal and the transmitted signal.

## 3. Is there a specific wire length that creates a phase shift?

The amount of phase shift caused by wire length depends on the frequency of the signal and the type of wire used. Generally, longer wire lengths will result in a larger phase shift, but the exact amount can vary.

## 4. Can phase shift be eliminated by using wires of equal length?

Using wires of equal length can help reduce phase shift, but it cannot completely eliminate it. Other factors such as the type of wire, temperature, and interference can also affect phase shift.

## 5. How can I measure and compensate for phase shift caused by wire length difference?

To measure phase shift, you can use an oscilloscope or a phase meter. To compensate for it, you can adjust the wire length or use a phase shifter device. It is important to note that compensating for phase shift may not be necessary or possible in all situations.

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