Doppler effect and signs of the equation

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The discussion centers on the application of the Doppler effect to a scenario involving a motor scooter and a police car. The scooter, traveling at 10 m/s, approaches a police car moving at 50 m/s, with the siren frequency set at 700 Hz. Participants clarify the correct usage of the Doppler effect equation, emphasizing the need to add or subtract the velocities of the source and listener appropriately. The key takeaway is that when the source approaches the listener, the frequency increases, necessitating the use of the formula that incorporates the speed of sound.

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  • Understanding of the Doppler effect equation
  • Knowledge of sound wave propagation and speed of sound
  • Basic algebra for manipulating equations
  • Familiarity with relative motion concepts
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  • Investigate practical applications of the Doppler effect in fields such as radar and astronomy
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Homework Statement


A motor scooter moving at 10 m/s approaches and passes a police car moving at 50 m/s in the opposite direction. The frequency of the siren on the police car is 700 hz when the car stands still. the difference in frequency heard by the driver of the scooter between when the two vehicles are approaching each other and when the two vehicles are separating from each other is closest to..

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doppler effect equation

The Attempt at a Solution


I know I must find the frequency at one point and subtract it from the other to find the difference, but in the doppler equation I never know when the velocity of the source/listener must be subtracted/added to the speed of sound
 
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RUphysics3 said:

Homework Statement


A motor scooter moving at 10 m/s approaches and passes a police car moving at 50 m/s in the opposite direction. The frequency of the siren on the police car is 700 hz when the car stands still. the difference in frequency heard by the driver of the scooter between when the two vehicles are approaching each other and when the two vehicles are separating from each other is closest to..

Homework Equations


Doppler effect equation

The Attempt at a Solution


I know I must find the frequency at one point and subtract it from the other to find the difference, but in the doppler equation I never know when the velocity of the source/listener must be subtracted/added to the speed of light.
I hope you mean "Speed of Sound" not of light.
 
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SammyS said:
I hope you mean "Speed of Sound" not of light.
i do indeed lol
 
RUphysics3 said:
I know I must find the frequency at one point and subtract it from the other to find the difference, but in the doppler equation I never know when the velocity of the source/listener must be subtracted/added to the speed of sound
You know that is always a matter of multiplying or dividing by 1+v/c or 1-v/c, where c is the speed of sound and v is one of the other velocities.
You also know that when the source is moving towards the receiver the frequency will increase, so for that case it must be either multiply by 1+v/c or divide by 1-v/c.
A simple thought experiment will tell you which. Suppose the source is moving at the speed of sound. What will happen to the wavefronts? What frequency will that seem like to the receiver when they meet?
 

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