How Do You Solve a Double Atwood's Machine Problem?

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The discussion focuses on solving a double Atwood's machine problem involving three masses and two pulleys. The user attempts to derive equations for the accelerations of the blocks and tensions in the strings but finds discrepancies with textbook answers. It is noted that the initial equations assume pulley B is fixed, which is incorrect since it also accelerates. The need to account for relative accelerations in the equations is emphasized, suggesting modifications to the original equations. Clarifying these relationships is essential for arriving at the correct solution.
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Homework Statement


Masses m1 and m2 are connected by a light during A over a light frictionless pulley B. The axel of pulley B is connected by a light string C over a second light frictionless pulley D to a mass m3. Pulley D is attached o the ceiling. The system is released from rest.
In terms of m1, m2, m3 and g what are
a) the acceleration of the block m3
b) the acceleration of pulley B
c) the acceleration of block m1 and m2
d) The tension in the string A
e) The tension in the string C

Homework Equations


F = ma

The Attempt at a Solution


a) As the strings are weightless the tension either side of the pulley will be the same.
I came up with equations
TA - m1g = m1a1
TA - m2g = -m2a1
TB - m3g = m3a2
TB - (m1 + m2)g = -(m1 + m2)a2
TB = 2TA

Rearranging the first 2 equations i got
TA = (2m1m2g)/(m1 + m2)

I then substituted this into equation 3 to get
(4m1m2g)/(m1 + m2) - m3g = m3a
which when i rearrange goes
(4m1m2g - m1m3g - m2m3g)/(m1m3 + m2m3) = a

However this is not the answer stated in my textbook and I'm not sure where I've gone wrong.
Any help would be much appreciated!
 
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Your first equations would be right only if the pulley B were fixed.
 
Jilang said:
Your first equations would be right only if the pulley B were fixed.
So would it be TA - m1g = m1(a1 + a2) as it is accelerating not only on its own pulley system but also has the acceleration of pulley B?
This would also change equation 2 to T1 - m2g = -m2(a1 + a2)
 
If a1, a2, and a3 are accelerations measured relative to the earth, then equation 1 is OK. The next three need modification. You are right that you are going to need to think about relative accelerations.
 
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