Dynamics: Newtons laws of motion

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A cyclist coasting at 12 m/s enters a muddy stretch with a friction coefficient of 0.60 and must determine if they can exit without pedaling. The problem requires calculating the deceleration due to friction and the distance traveled in the mud. Despite initial confusion and lack of mass information, it's suggested to use the cyclist's mass as a variable, which often cancels out in the equations. The answer indicates the cyclist can emerge at a speed of 3.8 m/s after 11 meters. Understanding the forces at play and applying the correct formulas will lead to the solution.
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Homework Statement


73) A cyclist is coasting at a steady speed of 12m/s but enters a muddy stretch where the effective coefficient of friction is 0.60. Will the cyclist emerge from the muddy stretch without having to pedal if the mud lasts for 11 meters?. If so, what will be the speed upon emerging.

I have a test tomorrow and this was a question at the end of the chapter that I'm having trouble on. I have no idea how to go about this. I've showed it to at least 5 other classmates who are all stumped. The answer in the back is "Yes, 3.8m/s"

How would i go about arriving at that answer. I've tried applying every formula in the chapter without success.

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Dont even know where to go with that in this equation

The Attempt at a Solution


Me and 4 other students spend a half hour yesterday trying this problem out without any success.
 
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Infamous_01 said:
How would i go about arriving at that answer. I've tried applying every formula in the chapter without success.

It would be helpful to try doing a 'before' and 'after' sketch including eveything you already know about the problem (except for the answer!).

Then talk us through what's going on (in words rather than formulae) so we can see what kind of thought processes you're using.

Once you've worked out what you need to do (by talking it through) you can start thinking about how to do it - which formulae to use.
 
heth said:
It would be helpful to try doing a 'before' and 'after' sketch including eveything you already know about the problem (except for the answer!).

Then talk us through what's going on (in words rather than formulae) so we can see what kind of thought processes you're using.

Once you've worked out what you need to do (by talking it through) you can start thinking about how to do it - which formulae to use.

Well he his initial velocity before he hits the mud is 12m/s. So i tried figuring out the force he would be driving into the mud with. And from there I was going to calculate the effect of the coeffecient from his normal force. But since his mass wasnt given I am completely clueless. I have absluteley no clue where to go from here.
 
Infamous_01 said:
Well he his initial velocity before he hits the mud is 12m/s. So i tried figuring out the force he would be driving into the mud with.

OK... though probably better of thinking about that as the force that the mud exerts on the cyclist, as it's his motion you're interested in.

And from there I was going to calculate the effect of the coeffecient from his normal force. But since his mass wasnt given I am completely clueless. I have absluteley no clue where to go from here.

The method is spot on. Don't worry about not knowing the cyclist's mass - just call it m for the moment. When you're dealing with forces, the mass of the object often divides out once you set up your equations. So have a go at what you've suggested and see what happens.
 
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