Eddy-current braking system, find the new velocity

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The discussion revolves around calculating the new velocity of a square loop subjected to an eddy-current braking system after 0.1 seconds in a magnetic field. Initial calculations yield a current of 0.01 A, but participants express confusion over the implications of time on voltage and the resulting velocity. Energy conservation principles are suggested as a method to determine the velocity change, considering the kinetic energy lost due to resistance. The importance of accounting for energy loss due to current flow is emphasized, as it affects the loop's kinetic energy. Ultimately, the conversation highlights the complexity of applying theoretical concepts to practical scenarios in electromagnetism.
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Homework Statement


Consider the eddy-current braking. A square loop, with 10 cm side is shot with the velocity 10 m/s into the uniform magnetic field with magnitude 0.1 T. The field is perpendicular to the plane of the loop, and the loop starts entering magnetic field at t=0. The resistance of the loop is 1.00 Ohm and the mass is 1.0 g. Assume the loop is moving to the right along x-axis and that x(t=0)=0. Find the velocity of the loop 0.1 seconds later. Comment on assumptions and approximation, or venture into the realm of differential equations…


Homework Equations


A = 0.1m X 0.1 m = 0.01m2
V = 10m/s
B = 0.1T
R = 1Ω
m = 0.001kg
t = 0.1s
Flux = BA = 0.001Wb
ε = Flux/t = 0.01v
I = ε/R
l = 0.1m

The Attempt at a Solution


My first reflex was to find the current: I = .01v/1Ω = 0.01A

And then I wanted to find the new velocity with the formula above, problem is; IR/Bl = (0.01A X 1Ω)/(0.1T X .1m) = 10 m/s, so that doesn't work

And now I'm stumped, I can't really figure out this problem -_-
 
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ε = Flux/t = 0.01v
Does your setup depend on the 0.1 seconds given in the problem statement? If not, why do you expect that the voltage depends on that time?
You have to use another value for the time here.

You could try energy conservation to calculate the velocity change.
 
mfb said:
Does your setup depend on the 0.1 seconds given in the problem statement? If not, why do you expect that the voltage depends on that time?
You have to use another value for the time here.


If I follow you, the actualy EMF exists before we are breaking, that is why I shouldn't consider the .1 second, so it would be simply divided by 1s (since no other time restriction is given)?

Thus giving

0.001V, which would also give 0.001A, which would in turn give a new velocity of 0.1m/s

And I still believe it makes no sense, that's too big of a change for .1 second, and I am not even considering the mass in what I just did.

You could try energy conservation to calculate the velocity change.

If I take this approach, I could find Ek = 0.5mv2 = 0.05j

And then I assume I'd have to find the potential energy of the system once it has been slowed down after the 0.1 second (by using the 0.05j I found with law of conservation of energy), but again I am stumped and do not know how to go about finding that information.

Second method does make a lot more sense than the first one though.
 
There is no relevant potential energy. You'll lose some energy due to the current flow in the curcuit.
 
mfb said:
There is no relevant potential energy. You'll lose some energy due to the current flow in the curcuit.

If I lose energy to the current flow, how can I use energy conservation to calculate the velocity change like you previously mentioned?

Or can I simply go ahead right away and find the energy of the system at 0.1s, and then use that in the kinetic energy formula to find the velocity? (Don't know how to do that yet, but if I'm on the right track I'll work on that)
 
kinetic energy before = kinetic energy afterwards + energy "lost" due to the resistance

"lost" in a technical sense here - the coil got warmer by a tiny amount.
 
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