Electric and Gravitational Forces & Fields

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The discussion revolves around calculating electric and gravitational forces acting on a proton in a specified electric and gravitational field. The electric field is given as 150 N/C downward, and the gravitational field is 9.80 N/kg downward. The problem involves determining the electric force and gravitational force on the proton, which has a mass of 1.67 x 10-27 kg.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the application of formulas for electric force and gravitational force, questioning the use of charge and mass in calculations. There is confusion regarding the correct value for the charge of a proton and its role in the electric force calculation.

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Some participants have provided guidance on the correct charge of a proton and clarified that it should be used in the electric force calculation. There is acknowledgment of mistakes in previous attempts, and the conversation reflects a mix of frustration and learning as participants explore the problem.

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Participants express uncertainty about their calculations and the relevance of different variables, indicating a need for clarification on the relationship between charge and force in the context of the problem.

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I'm getting pretty frustrated with this equation, and I'm not sure what I'm really doing. I've gone to the teacher for help, but as soon as I left school and came home, I've drawn a blank about what he told me..

"At a point in Earth's atmosphere, the electric field is 150 N/C downward and the gravitational field is 9.80 N/kg downward.

a) Determine the electric force on a proton (p+) placed at this point.

b) Determine the gravitational force on the proton at this point. The proton has a mass of 1.67 x 10-27 kg."


For a), I'm pretty sure you use the formula:
E = Fe/q, and then manipulate it to find Fe, right?

I tried doing this:
Fe = q * E
Fe = 9.80 N/kg * 150 N/C

I get Fe = 1470 N, when in the back of the textbook it says I should get 2.40 x 10-17 N
So I'm not getting the answer that it says in the textbook. I was wondering if I did something wrong with 'q', because isn't that the charge, which should be in coulombs? Am I supposed to use the gravitational field and the mass of the proton to find the charge?

I also tried this:
Fe = (1.67 x 10-27 * 9.80 N/kg) * 150 N/C
and I got Fe = 2.50 x 10-24 N
Still the wrong answer.
Maybe I'm entering it wrong into my calculator?

As for b), I was told to use:
g = Fg/m, then manipulate it to this:
Fg = mg
Fg = 1.67 x 10-27 * 9.80 N/kg

Fg = 1.64 x 10-26 N
which is right, so I don't really know why I typed this all down! Haha
 
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Fe = q * E
Fe = 9.80 N/kg * 150 N/C
q here is charge. What is the charge of a proton? Don't worry about "g" for this part of the question. It doesn't have anything to do with the electric force.
 
hage567 said:
q here is charge. What is the charge of a proton? Don't worry about "g" for this part of the question. It doesn't have anything to do with the electric force.

Oh, yeah. So instead of 1.67 x 10-27 N/kg, I use 1.60 x 10-19 C.

Fe = 1.60 x 10-19 C * 150 N/C
Fe = 2.40 x 10-17 N

Thanks! I get so frustrated, I seem to just miss one little thing that screws up the answer! I can't believe I did that..
 
Yeah, it happens!
 

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