Electric charge attraction and repulsion

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the nature of electric charge interactions, specifically the principles of attraction and repulsion between charges. Participants explore the empirical basis of these interactions, comparisons with gravitational forces, and the implications of theories such as string theory.

Discussion Character

  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that the law of electric charge fields, stating that like charges repel and unlike charges attract, is an empirical observation rather than a derived conclusion from equations.
  • Another participant argues that classical physics describes these phenomena but does not explain the attractive nature of gravitational force, emphasizing the need for nuance in this discussion.
  • A different viewpoint explains that the sign of potential energy determines the direction of the force in electric interactions, with like charges resulting in repulsive forces and unlike charges resulting in attractive forces.
  • One participant asserts that the forces of attraction and repulsion are described by Coulomb's law and that their directions are based on the likeness or unlikeness of the charges, challenging the notion that these principles are merely empirical observations.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the nature of electric charge interactions and their theoretical underpinnings, indicating that multiple competing perspectives remain without consensus.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved nuances regarding the relationship between empirical observations and theoretical explanations, particularly in the context of electric charge versus gravitational forces. The discussion also touches on the relevance of string theory, which some participants dismiss as unrelated to the topic at hand.

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The basic law of electric charge fields is that like charges repel and unlike charges attract. This does not come out of the equations but is inserted as just an empirical observation that must be allowed for, is it not ? Am I missing something here? Compare gravity that is always an attractive force. Will this fall out of the superstring theory of everything?
 
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String theory has NOTHING to do with this. Essentially, classical physics describes these phenomena, it does not explain why the gravitational force is attractive ! That's an important nuance that needs to be made here.

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In the simplest terms, the sign of the potential energy determines the direction of the force. In the electric case, this is proportional to the product of two charges, which may be positive or negative in sign. Like charges give positive potential energy ( repulsive force) and unlike charges give negative potential energy (attractive force).

We only know one 'charge' for mass, so that makes it different.

It is not actually as arbitrary as you suggest when you say -

This does not come out of the equations but is inserted as just an empirical observation that must be allowed for, is it not ?

And forget string theory, it is is not the answer.
 
Like charge repel and unlike charges attract. The force with which the attraction or repulsion takes place is the same and is given by the Coulomb's law. The forces directions come from the likeness or unlikeness of the charges. The magnitude/directionof the forces every thing is based on the empirical observation and is described using an equation.
 

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