Electric field and total charge

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The problem involves calculating the total charge and electric field of an infinitely long cylinder with a charge density that varies linearly with distance from the central axis. The charge density is defined as ß = A r, where A is a constant and r is the distance from the axis. The tasks include finding the total charge in a segment of length L and determining the electric field both inside and outside the cylinder.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss the correct expression for the differential charge dQ and whether to use volume or surface area for integration. There is uncertainty about the limits of integration and how to incorporate the length L into the calculations. Questions arise regarding the nature of the charge density and its dependence on the variable r.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring different interpretations of the charge density and its implications for calculating total charge and electric fields. Some guidance has been offered regarding the use of variables and integration limits, but no consensus has been reached on the correct approach.

Contextual Notes

Participants express confusion over the application of Gauss' Law and the relationship between charge density and the geometry of the cylinder. There is also mention of differing interpretations of the variable r and its role in the equations.

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Homework Statement


Charge is distributed through an infinitely long cylinder of radius R in such a way that the charge density is proportional to the distance from the central axis: ß = A r, where A is a constant and ß is the density.
(a) Calculate the total charge contained in a segment of the cylinder of length L.
(b) Calculate the electric field for points outside the cylinder.
(c) Calculate the electric field for points inside the cylinder.

Homework Equations


Gauss' Law

The Attempt at a Solution


so for a)
dQ = p(r) V dr
right? or is it
dQ = p(r) A dr
I can't decide. It says charge is distributed throughout the cylinder but in my book we always seem to use surface areas so I'm confused.
But if I go with my first equation and integrate to find the total charge, Q
Q = integral (A * r * pi * R2 * L * dr)
where r = distance of point from central axis and R = radius of cylinder
then = A * pi * R2 * L * integral r dr
which = (A * pi * R4 * L)/2
I integrated from 0 to R which leaves out half of the cylinder so I'm not so sure what to do about that... should I integrate to 2R intsead?
As far as for b and c, I can't see why they'd be different. My book talks about cylindrical symmetry and says
E = linear charge density/(2 * pi *e0 * r)
which is the electric field E due to an infinitely long, straight line of charge, at a point that is a radial distance r from the line. So wouldn't they be the same, with different r's? Perhaps for the one inside the surface, the density B = A * r would cancel with the r on the bottom. Or instead of this equation, should I go back and say:
e0 * E * A = q
and use my q from before, if it's even right?
And should I use the area or the volume then, for this part?

Ugh this electric stuff confuses me. I miss gravity...
 
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ß = A r tells density at any part at distance x from central axis.
this charge at x will be distributed along the circumference of that little part dx at distnce x

so dQ = dx * ß
where B will be A xwhat is that p(r) ?
 
p(r) is density as a function of r. Sorry I switched the symbols, I'm used to using rho. So is r a constant then? I thought it was a variable, because it said A was a constant and B was the density, so I thought B varied in accordance with r, which would be the distance from the central axis. Then the R would be the actual radius of the cylinder. But you think it's a constant?
 
i didnt say its a constant ... did i?

i just used the expression to find charge dQ at distance x, now x is variable ...(thats why eqn include dx)

and dint worry about the radius stuff ... density given is linear
 
Right, I see. So then Q = Ax2/2. But what does length L have to do with the integral? X is the distance from the central axis, so I don't see how to incorporate L into that.
 
what will be the limits of integral?
 

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