Electric Fields Question- Uniform Field

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The discussion revolves around a particle moving in a uniform electric field directed in the -y direction. The problem involves calculating the force acting on the particle and determining its position at a specific time, using kinematic equations while considering the absence of gravitational forces.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the calculation of force using F = ma and the implications of a uniform electric field on the particle's motion. Questions arise regarding the application of kinematic equations without gravitational acceleration and the determination of acceleration from the electric force.

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Some participants have provided guidance on resolving the problem into x and y components and applying kinematic equations accordingly. There is ongoing exploration of how to correctly account for the electric force and its impact on the particle's trajectory.

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Participants note the absence of gravitational forces and question how this affects the acceleration and kinematic calculations. There is also mention of needing to resolve vectors for velocity and force in different directions.

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Throughout space there is a uniform electric field in the -y direction of strength E = 540 N/C. There is no gravity. At t = 0, a particle with mass m = 3 g and charge q = -17 µC is at the origin moving with a velocity v0 = 25 m/s at an angle θ = 25° above the x-axis.

(a) What is the magnitude of the force acting on this particle?
F = 0.00918N

(b) At t = 6.5 s, what are the x- and y-coordinates of the position of the particle?
x = ? y = ?
HELP: Recall and apply the kinematic expressions for 2-D projectile motion from mechanics.


E = F/Q = (KQ)/r^2
Range = (vo^2*sin(2Θ))/g
Trajectory = x*tan(Θ)-(1/2)((g*x^2)/(vo^2*cos^2(Θ))
v = vo+at
x = xo + v0t+(1/2)at^2
v^2-vo^2 = 2a(x-xo)


Ok pt a.) was really easy but I'm completely stuck on part b. It says to use kinematics equations but I don't see how that can work. We're not given acceleration and we're told gravity is not acting on the particle, and we don't know the speed at t=6.5s. I thought maybe I could set the force from pt a equal to m*a and that gave me 3.06 but the coordinates I got were not correct. Am I suppose to assume that the acceleration is zero since the electric force field is constant?
 
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acceleration is Force divided by mass

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r34racer01 said:
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Throughout space there is a uniform electric field in the -y direction of strength E = 540 N/C. There is no gravity. At t = 0, a particle with mass m = 3 g and charge q = -17 µC is at the origin moving with a velocity v0 = 25 m/s at an angle θ = 25° above the x-axis.

(a) What is the magnitude of the force acting on this particle?
F = 0.00918N

(b) At t = 6.5 s, what are the x- and y-coordinates of the position of the particle?
x = ? y = ?
HELP: Recall and apply the kinematic expressions for 2-D projectile motion from mechanics.


E = F/Q = (KQ)/r^2
Range = (vo^2*sin(2Θ))/g
Trajectory = x*tan(Θ)-(1/2)((g*x^2)/(vo^2*cos^2(Θ))
v = vo+at
x = xo + v0t+(1/2)at^2
v^2-vo^2 = 2a(x-xo)


Ok pt a.) was really easy but I'm completely stuck on part b. It says to use kinematics equations but I don't see how that can work. We're not given acceleration and we're told gravity is not acting on the particle, and we don't know the speed at t=6.5s. I thought maybe I could set the force from pt a equal to m*a and that gave me 3.06 but the coordinates I got were not correct. Am I suppose to assume that the acceleration is zero since the electric force field is constant?

You calculated a Force. YOu have the mass of the particle, so F = ma... Just got to get the direction of the net force, thus the acceleration correct. Then use your kinematics. But don't use g, use the a you found from F=ma..

whoops, answered above.
 
Ok well like I said before I tried F = ma => 0.00918 = 0.003kg * a => a = 3.06 m/s^2. I then did x = x0+v0*t + 0.5*a*t^2 ==> x = 0 + 25(6.5) + 0.5(3.06)(6.5)^2 = 227.1425. I then resolved this into x and y components and got x = 205.86 and y = 95.9. These didn't work so I'm still lost.
 
v0 is a vector doing 25º
E (and therefore F) is a vector going in the y direction.

You must find the velocity in the x and y component, the force in the x and y component (in this case the x component of the force is 0), and apply kinematic's equation on each component.
Hope this helps
 
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The only difference form the classical projectile problem is that the gravitational field is replaced by the electrostatic field, they obey the same laws, only the expression of the force is different(G = mg for gravity, F = qE in this case, F plays the role of G).
 

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