Electric Potential from Electric Field

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The discussion focuses on calculating the electric potential difference between the origin and a specified point using the given electric field components. The initial attempts to compute the potential difference using E dot r were unsuccessful, highlighting the need to correctly integrate along the defined path. It is emphasized that the electric field is conservative, allowing for the potential difference to be calculated independently of the path taken. The integration process involves breaking the journey into two segments: moving along the x-axis while keeping y constant, and then moving vertically while keeping x constant. The correct approach simplifies the dot product calculations, making it easier to derive the potential difference.
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Homework Statement



Electric Potential from Electric Field

Suppose that, as a function of x, y, and z, an electric field has the following components:
Ex = 6x^2y, Ey = 2x^3 + 2y and Ez = 0
where E is measured in V/m and the distances are measured in m. Find the electrical potential difference between the origin and the point x = -0.4 m, y = 6.1 m, z = 0.0 m.

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We should be able to just do E dot r, which gives (6x^2y)x + (3x^3+2y)y, where x = -.5 and y = 6.1

this didn't work.

Reattempt:
for reference: Ex = 6x^2y, Ey = 2x^3 + 2y, x = -0.4 m, y = 6.1 m

dV = integral E dot dr from 0 to the point = integral Ex dx from 0 to -.4 + integral Ey dy from 0 to 6.1
= integral 6x^2y dx from x=0 to -.4 + integral 2x^3 + 2y from y=0 to 6.1

= y*2x^3 |(x=0 to -.4) + (2x^3y + y^2)|(y=0 to 6.1)

=2(-.4^3)y + (12.2x^3 + 6.1^2),

where x = -.4 and y=6.1

plug in and get 35.6V,

wrong...
 
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When you're integrating along the path, from the origin to x = -0.4 the value of y should be zero (you're moving out along the x-axis first). After this, the value of x will be fixed at -0.41 as your path takes you vertically from y = 0 to y = 6.1 .
 
gneill said:
When you're integrating along the path, from the origin to x = -0.4 the value of y should be zero (you're moving out along the x-axis first). After this, the value of x will be fixed at -0.41 as your path takes you vertically from y = 0 to y = 6.1 .

How do you integrate it? It's a vector...
 
jaguar7 said:
How do you integrate it? It's a vector...

There's a dot product involved. E and dr are both vectors, but their dot product is a scalar.

Now, you have a choice. You can do it the hard way, which is to take a straight-line path from the origin to the endpoint, developing an expression for E.dr for that trajectory, or you can realize that the electric field is conservative and that the work done going from point A to point B is independent of the path taken.

So to go from the origin to point (x,y), you can first take a straight line from the origin to x, keeping y = 0, and then from point (x,0) to (x,y) along the straight line where x is constant.

In the first leg of the journey dr is differential element that points in the x direction. In the second leg it points in the y direction. So dr is a vector <dr,0,0> in the first case, and <0,dr,0> in the second. This makes the dot products particularly simple, because dr simply "picks out" either the x or the y component of the field vector.
 
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