Electricity and Electric field

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The discussion revolves around the application of Gauss's law in the context of electric fields and charge distributions, particularly focusing on a spherical charge distribution and the calculation of electric field intensity outside a charged sphere.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the need for integration to determine the total charge within a Gaussian surface when the charge density is non-uniform. Questions arise regarding the necessity of integrating over the charge density and the implications of varying charge density on the calculations.

Discussion Status

Some participants have suggested that an integral is necessary to accurately find the total charge inside the Gaussian surface, while others are questioning the approach of simply multiplying volume by charge density due to its non-uniformity. There is an ongoing exploration of how to set up the integral correctly, indicating a productive direction in the discussion.

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Participants are grappling with the implications of non-uniform charge density and the appropriate mathematical treatment of the problem, including the need for spherical coordinates in integration. There is a recognition of the complexity introduced by the varying charge density as the radius increases.

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Homework Statement


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Homework Equations


gauss law
q=charge on sphere
Q=total charge enclosed by gaussian surface
Q=alpha/r x (4/3 pi r^3-4/3 pi R^3) + q

The Attempt at a Solution



EA=Q/ε[/B]
E=Q/(Aε)
now
for E to be independent of r,

alpha/r x 4/3 pi r^3 + q = 1/(4)(pi)(r^2)
alpha x 4/3 pi r^2 +q= 1/(4)(pi)(r^2)
q=(4 alpha pi r^2)/3 - 1/(4)(pi)(r^2)

q=(16 alpha pi^2 r^4 - 3)/(4)(pi)(r^2)

but this is not even close to the answer
 

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You need to do an integral to find the total charge inside the Gaussian surface for ##r > R## because the charge density is not uniform in that region.
 
kuruman said:
You need to do an integral to find the total charge inside the Gaussian surface for ##r > R## because the charge density is not uniform in that region.
but why we need to do that since we are only seeing the electric field intensity outside the sphere
 
How would you find how much charge is in the region ##R < r' <r## where ##r'## is a radius between the surface of the sphere and the Gaussian surface of radius ##r##? You cannot multiply the volume by the charge density, as you have done, because the amount of charge per unit volume decreases continuously as ##r'## increases.
 
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Q=q+integral(R to r-R)[alpha/r 4/3 pi r^3]

but how do i get dr on side of integral?
 
Suyash Singh said:
Q=q+integral(R to r-R)[alpha/r 4/3 pi r^3]

but how do i get dr on side of integral?
You started incorrectly. For volume charge density ##\rho = \alpha/r##, $$Q=\int \frac{\alpha}{r}dV.$$
What is ##dV## in spherical coordinates? Note: This is a triple integral. If you don't remember, see "Integration and differentiation in spherical coordinates" here
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spherical_coordinate_system
 
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