Electron Beam Heat Up Time Calculation

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The discussion revolves around calculating the time required to heat a metal target using a beam of electrons. The initial calculations involved finding the momentum and energy of electrons, leading to discrepancies in the expected heating time. Participants clarified that using the kinetic energy formula KE=1/2mv^2 yields accurate results, while the relativistic momentum-energy relation complicates the problem unnecessarily. The correct energy required to heat the metal was determined to be approximately 9.3 J, aligning with the textbook answer of 1.44x10^5 seconds for the heating time. The consensus emphasizes the effectiveness of simpler kinetic energy calculations over complex relativistic formulas.
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Here's the question,

A beam of electrons, traveling at 9x10^6ms^{-1} In every second, 1x10^{14} electrons hit a metal target and all their energy is converted into heat. How long would it take to heat up the metal from 18 degrees celsius to 80 degrees celsius if the heat capacity of the metal is 0.15JK^{-1}. The mass of the electron is 9x10^{-31} kg.

How i solved this problem was to find the momentum of each individual electron using the formula p=mv. Then i found the energy of each electron using the relation E^2=(mc^2)^2+(pc)^2. Then afterwards i found the heat energy in joules required to heat up the metal to 80 degrees celsius.

The thing is, i got 10.2 for the energy required to heat the metal object up. And the energy per second gained is 8.08886. Therefore the answer i got is 1.26 seconds. The problem is, the answer is 1.44x10^5 s.

Where did I go wrong? I've got a feeling the momentum-energy relation in SR is a little outta place but I can't think of any other relation which relates momentum and energy. Thanks alot.
 
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the energy you were using is the kinetic energy + the rest mass energy... do you see what is your problem?
 
misogynisticfeminist said:
A beam of electrons, traveling at 9x10^6ms^{-1} In every second, 1x10^{14} electrons hit a metal target and all their energy is converted into heat. How long would it take to heat up the metal from 18 degrees celsius to 80 degrees celsius if the heat capacity of the metal is 0.15JK^{-1}. The mass of the electron is 9x10^{-31} kg.
{Kinetic Energy Each Electron} = (1/2)mv2 = (1/2){9.0e(-31) kg}{9.0e(6) m/s}2 =
= (3.645e(-17) Joules)
{Power Dissipated In Metal Target} = {Kinetic Energy Ea Electron}*{# Electrons/Sec Absorbed} =
= {3.645e(-17)}*{1.0e(14)} = (3.645e(-3) Watts)
{Rate of Temperature Change} = {Power Dissipated In Metal Target}/{0.15 J/oK} =
= (3.645e(-3) Watts)/{0.15 J/oK} = (0.0243 oK/sec)

{Time To Heat Metal 18 to 80 oC} = (80 - 18 oC)/(0.0243 oK/sec) = (2551 sec)



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vincentchan said:
the energy you were using is the kinetic energy + the rest mass energy... do you see what is your problem?

ohhhhh yes ! that solved the problem, thanks alot...
 
misogynisticfeminist said:
ohhhhh yes ! that solved the problem, thanks alot...
How does that solved your problem? as Xanthym pointed out, your textbook answer is wrong... so after you know how to do this problem, your answer still can't match the textbook answer...
 
vincentchan said:
How does that solved your problem? as Xanthym pointed out, your textbook answer is wrong... so after you know how to do this problem, your answer still can't match the textbook answer...

The method i used is different from Xanthym's one as i did not use the formula KE=\frac{1}{2}mv^2. What i did was first to find momentum, then relate it with energy using the relativistic momentum-energy relation.

The kinetic energy per electron I got is 6.0479974_E -19 and the kinetic energy hitting the target in one second is 6.0479974_E -5. To find the energy required to heat the metal object, i got 9.3 J.

So, \frac{9.3}{60479974_E -5}, i get answer 143,519.0944 which is approximately equal to 1.44_E 5, which is the textbook answer.
 
The approximation using KE=1/2mv^{2} is excellent.No need to apply relativistic formulas..

Daniel.
 
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