Electrostatic: Electron Transfer & Conductivity

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The discussion revolves around the mechanisms of electron transfer during the rubbing of two electrically neutral insulating materials, specifically examining the roles of electron affinity and conductivity in this process. The conversation touches on concepts related to electrostatics and charge transfer through friction.

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  • Conceptual clarification
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether the transfer of electrons during friction depends solely on the electron affinities of the materials or if their conductivity also plays a role.
  • The same participant hypothesizes that a poor insulator (high conductivity) would have a lower electron affinity, while a good insulator (low conductivity) would have a higher electron affinity.
  • Another participant reflects on their initial misunderstanding, suggesting that they conflated the concepts of charge transfer through friction with those of charging by induction and conduction.
  • This participant also notes their previous assumption that electron affinity was inversely proportional to conductivity, which they later found to be incorrect, citing examples like gold and silver that exhibit both high electron affinity and high conductivity.
  • There is an encouragement for participants to ask questions about their research, emphasizing the community's willingness to help those who demonstrate effort in their inquiries.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

The discussion contains multiple viewpoints and some confusion regarding the relationship between conductivity, electron affinity, and charge transfer mechanisms. No consensus is reached on the exact roles of these factors in the process described.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty about the definitions and relationships between conductivity and electron affinity, and there are unresolved assumptions regarding the nature of charge transfer in insulating materials.

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If you rub two electrically neutral pieces of insulation together, one piece becomes charged and the other piece becomes oppositely charged.

Does this transfer of electron depend merely on the electron affinities of the two pieces, or does the conductivity of the two insulations play a part?

I imagine a poor insulator (high conductivity) to have a lower electron affinity; it wants to move/get rid of its electrons. Likewise, I imagine a good insulator (low conductivity) to have a higher electron affinity; it wants to hold onto its electrons.
 
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Thank you for replying meBigGuy.

After reading your link and others, I think I cleared the confusion: I thought that since conductors are good at moving charges throughout them, they must also be good at transferring their charges. Hence, I thought that if I rubbed two different, electrically neutral, nonpolarized materials together, the better conducting material would conduct its electrons to the poorer conducting material, thus eliminating the electron affinity explanation. However, I completely forgot to factor in that nonpolarized and electrically neutral part, which would interfere with charge transfer. I basically attempted to explain charging by friction with charging by induction and conduction.

I also thought that electron affinity was somehow inversely proportional to conductivity. But, after not much research, I found that was not the case: Au and Ag, for example, have both high electron affinity and high conductivity.

To conclude, I should have done more research before posting this question; I admit my ignorance :sorry:.
 
But, feel free to ask about anything in your research that you have a problem understanding. We love getting questions. Demonstrate a little effort and you will get responses from people who like to help. It just that it is very difficult to explain things from the very very beginning.
 
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Tam Le said:
I admit my ignorance
We're all ignorant, but on different subjects.
 

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