Energy of a system-a box moving in a circle

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The problem involves a mass attached to a spring moving in a circular path, with the objective of finding the extension of the spring as a function of the mass. The context includes concepts from mechanics, specifically relating to circular motion and spring dynamics.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the relationship between the spring's energy and the kinetic energy of the mass, questioning the appropriateness of the initial equations used. There are attempts to derive expressions for angular velocity and radial acceleration, with some participants suggesting alternative equations that might apply.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring various interpretations of the problem. Some guidance has been offered regarding the correct use of angular velocity and the expression for radial acceleration, but no consensus has been reached on the correct approach or equations to use.

Contextual Notes

Participants are working under the constraints of the problem statement, including the given period of motion and the spring constant. There is also a focus on ensuring that angular measurements are in radians, which may affect calculations.

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Homework Statement



A light spring has unstressed length 15.5cm.It is described by Hooke's law with spring constant 4.30N/m.One end of the horizontal spring is held on a fixed vertical axle,and the other end is attached to a punk of mass that can move without friction over a horizontal surface.The punk is set into motion in a circle with a period of 1.30s.
Find the extension of the spring x as it depends on m.

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Firstly,I found the velocity of the punk.
1/2kx2=1/2mv2
v=[(4.3x2)/m]1/2
But I don't know what is the next step.:cry:
 
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Let r be the radius of the circle. What is the radial acceleration of the mass? If the mass is traveling at this radius, how much is the spring stretched? What is the centripetal force that the spring must supply?
 
I don't think you are using the right equation here. Your equation is saying that the energy in the spring equals the kinetic energy of the punk - why would that be the case? Do you know any other equations that might apply?
 
Jilang said:
I don't think you are using the right equation here. Your equation is saying that the energy in the spring equals the kinetic energy of the punk - why would that be the case? Do you know any other equations that might apply?

I have used this approach is because the question has given the period of the circle,so I think I should find the velocity...
 
OK, do you know any other equations that have velocity in them?
 
What's the angular velocity ω?
 
chestermiller said:
what's the angular velocity ω?

ω=360°/1.3
=277?
andω=4.3/m?
 
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haha1234 said:
ω=360°/1.3
=277?
andω=4.3/m?
The angle has to be in radians, not degrees. After you get the angular velocity correct, express the radial acceleration in terms of ω and r.

Chet
 
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Chestermiller said:
The angle has to be in radians, not degrees. After you get the angular velocity correct, express the radial acceleration in terms of ω and r.

Chet

I think I cannot get the correct radical acceleration.
The radical acceleration I have got is a=(4∏2/1.69)x
 
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haha1234 said:
I think I cannot get the correct radical acceleration.
The radical acceleration I have got is a=(4∏2/1.69)x

Correct...It would be better if you express it as a=(4∏2/1.69)(.155+x) where x is the extension in the spring .
 
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Tanya Sharma said:
Correct...It would be better if you express it as a=(4∏2/1.69)(.155+x) where x is the extension in the spring .

Why the radius of the circle is 0.155+x?
 
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haha1234 said:
Why the radius of the circle is 0.155+x?

What do you think radius would be ?
 
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