Equation calculations about the coefficient of kinetic friction

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The discussion centers on verifying the equation for the coefficient of kinetic friction, specifically ##\mu_k = \frac{a}{g}##, which has been confirmed as correct. However, several issues regarding the interpretation of graphs and variables are raised, particularly about constant velocity and the meaning of x-values in the context of distance traveled. The equation for velocity presented is critiqued for not representing instantaneous velocity, and clarification is sought on how to define acceleration in terms of specific variables. Participants suggest using SUVAT formulas to calculate acceleration from the graph, emphasizing the need to consider deceleration. Overall, the conversation highlights the importance of precise definitions and correct application of physics principles in solving the problem.
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A block (unknown weight) is pushed to start moving at t1 and slides freely on the surface (without applying extra force) and stop at t10, how can determine the kinetic coefficient of friction µk5 between times of t5 and t6 by using V5, V6 and X5? (The block and surface are the same material, glass; using lubricant does not matter)
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µk=𝑎/g
I need an expert to verify equations about the coefficient of kinetic friction.

the kinetic coefficient of friction µk5.jpg
 
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Certainly ##\mu_k = \frac a g## is correct in this context.
 
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Javad said:
I need an expert to verify equations about the coefficient of kinetic friction.
Hi @Javad. Welcome to PF.

In case you didn’t realize, I will note that @PeroK (who answered you in Post #2):
a) is an expert
b) has verified your equation about the coefficient of kinetic friction
- fulfilling your request!

In addition, please note;

1. The graph (showing v4, v5, v6, v7 and v8 on a horizontal line corresponding to v = 5) would mean the velocity is constant - which is not correct.

2. The meaning of the x-values is unclear. ambiguous as they woulld usually refer to thrFor example, is x5 the total distance traveled between times t1 and t5? Or between t4 and t5? Or between t5 and t6? Or something else?
EDIT. As noted by @jack action in Post #4, x5 is the distance covered between times t5 and t6. (Though a better symbol than 'x' might have been 'Δx'.)

3. Your equation ##v= \frac x t## is not the instantaneous velocity. The equation is generally only used to find velocity when acceleration is zero or to find average velocity.

If you can sort out the above problems, you can post your attempt at a solution and we can try to help you.
 
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Actually, everything you've done so far is good and you are on the right path. (##\mu_k = \frac{a}{g}##)

But the problem asks to find in terms of ##v_5##, ##v_6## and ##x_5##. How can you define ##a## - between ##t_5## and ##t_6## - in those terms?

P.S.: The distance ##x_5## is clearly the traveled distance between ##t_5## and ##t_6##.
 
Thank you, my background is on biology, so I am sorry for poor knowledge on physics. I made the question correct, it is a simplified question from the main question.
##\mu_k = \frac{a}{g}## is the equation that can work for the main question, for verification of ##\mu_k = \frac{a}{g}## could you introduce a textbook or a paper? I need a reference for the equation that I used.
the kinetic coefficient of friction.jpg

Equations on the below show Fnet, Fa and Ff
I am not sure if there is missing equations that I explained above.
kinetic coefficient of friction Fnet.png
 
Javad said:
Thank you, my background is on biology, so I am sorry for poor knowledge on physics. I made the question correct, it is a simplified question from the main question.
##\mu_k = \frac{a}{g}## is the equation that can work for the main question, for verification of ##\mu_k = \frac{a}{g}## could you introduce a textbook or a paper? I need a reference for the equation that I used.
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Equations on the below show Fnet, Fa and Ff
I am not sure if there is missing equations that I explained above.
You know ##g## and you want to find ##\mu_k##, so you need first to calculate the acceleration ##a##. I imagine you are supposed to calculate that from the graph. You can find acceleration using either speed and position or speed and time - using the SUVAT formulas and assuming approximately constant acceleration.

Note that in this case we are talking about deceleration, so technically ##a## is the magnitude of the deceleration.
 
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