Equations for fk, Wfk, and WF as an expression

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The discussion focuses on the equations for frictional force and work done by forces acting on a block being pulled on a horizontal surface. The correct expression for the frictional force is identified as fk = μk(mg - Fsin(θ)). Participants express confusion over the work done by friction and the applied force, with attempts to clarify the correct formulas for calculating work. The user struggles with the signs and values in their homework submission, indicating discrepancies in their answers for work done by friction and the applied force. The conversation highlights the importance of correctly applying trigonometric functions and understanding the forces at play in the problem.
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Homework Statement



(a) A block with a mass m is pulled along a horizontal surface for a distance x by a constant force vector F at an angle θ with respect to the horizontal. The coefficient of kinetic friction between block and table is μk. Is the force exerted by friction equal to μkmg?
ANSWER = No (Correct )

Enter the expression that describes only the magnitude of the force exerted by friction. (Use any variable or symbol stated above along with the following as necessary: g and F for the magnitude of vector F .)

fk = ?

(b) How much work is done by the friction force and by vector F ? (Don't forget the signs. Use any variable or symbol stated above along with the following as necessary: g and F for the magnitude of vector F .)
Wfk = ?
WF =?



The Attempt at a Solution



fk= μk (mg-Fsin(θ))
Wfk=-(cos(θ))d
WF=mg(sin(θ))d

*d= distance

I'm struggling coming up with the correct equations. Any help is appreciated.
 
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hi svfetz! welcome to pf! :smile:
svfetz said:
fk= μk (mg-Fsin(θ))
Wfk=-(cos(θ))d
WF=mg(sin(θ))d

*d= distance

your fk is correct :smile:

but i don't understand what formula you're using for work done :confused:
 
Hi :smile:

For my submission for fk webassign didn't like my answer for it so I have no idea what I am doing wrong because you agree its right.

For my other two equations I used W= FΔh and used cos and sin because it is getting pulled at an angle. So w=(Fcosθ)Δh?

Ahhh, I'm so confused right now that I don't even know what I did anymore:confused:

**For my Homework webassign hates me. (this is just the full problem)

(a) A block with a mass m is pulled along a horizontal surface for a distance x by a constant force vector F at an angle θ with respect to the horizontal. The coefficient of kinetic friction between block and table is μk. Is the force exerted by friction equal to μkmg?
No

Enter the expression that describes only the magnitude of the force exerted by friction. (Use any variable or symbol stated above along with the following as necessary: g and F for the magnitude of vector F .)
fk =

(b) How much work is done by the friction force and by vector F ? (Don't forget the signs. Use any variable or symbol stated above along with the following as necessary: g and F for the magnitude of vector F .)
Wfk =
WF =

(c) Identify all the forces that do no work on the block.
1. friction vector f k 2.vector n 3.vector F sin(θ) 4. mvector g 5.vector F cos(θ)

(d) Let m = 2.00 kg, x = 4.00 m, θ = 41.0°, F = 17.0 N, and μk = 0.400, and find the answers to parts (a) and (b). (Include appropriate signs.)

fk = -12.3 NThe response you submitted has the wrong sign.
Wfk = -4.0 J Wrong
WF = 68.15 J Wrong
 
hi svfetz! :smile:

(just got up :zzz:)
svfetz said:
For my other two equations I used W= FΔh and used cos and sin because it is getting pulled at an angle. So w=(Fcosθ)Δh?

yes :smile:
(d) Let m = 2.00 kg, x = 4.00 m, θ = 41.0°, F = 17.0 N, and μk = 0.400, and find the answers to parts (a) and (b). (Include appropriate signs.)

fk = -12.3 NThe response you submitted has the wrong sign.
Wfk = -4.0 J Wrong
WF = 68.15 J Wrong

sorry, i don't follow any of these :confused:

how did you get WF ?​
 
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