Error in special relativity Albert Einstein assumed

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The discussion centers on a perceived error in Einstein's special relativity regarding time dilation and the behavior of light in a moving boxcar. Observer 1, inside the boxcar, perceives the light pulse as moving vertically, while Observer 2, outside, sees the light pulse travel diagonally due to the boxcar's motion. The key point is that light maintains a constant speed (c) in all frames, but its direction affects how it is perceived by different observers. The argument hinges on the misunderstanding of how light's vertical and horizontal components interact in different reference frames, particularly regarding time dilation. Ultimately, the conversation emphasizes the importance of recognizing that "vertical" and "horizontal" are relative concepts that differ between observers.
  • #31


Tuomaaca said:
I think i understand your question. Correct me if I'm wrong, but here's what I'm getting:

The observer emits a "pulse of light" from his flashlight to the center of the mirror ("straight upward"). The light goes up. Since the mirror is moving with a velocity (let's say v), the light pulse should hit at a spot vt away from (or "behind") the center of the mirror, where t is the time it takes for light to travel from floor to ceiling.

But, a contradiction! According to Observer 1 (who is moving with a constant velocity so that he can't even tell that he's moving), he emitted a pulse "straight up" and it should also come "straight down," right back at his flashlight.
no i don't agree ..
here what is wrong and i said about 200 times but seems everybody ignore it YOU said:
he emitted a pulse "straight up" and it should also come "straight down," right back at his flashlight.
yes it will come straight down but not back to his flashlight
this observer emitted a flashlight straight upward moving with velocity C
observer 1 is in the train.
observer 2 is outside.
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  • #32


yeah another way of explaining it(AFTER READING ABOVE POST):
if u say that according to observer1 the mirror is not moving away from him and so is the light
he sees the light moving upward in c and downward again and that what really happens as he can't see that light returned to flash light while it didn't
but since the frame was moving with velocity vtrain then light should be moving upward with velocity c and moving diagonally with velocity v train and that s impossible
 
  • #33


If the pulse of light is aimed vertically in the frame where the flashlight is moving to the right then it is aimed to the left in the frame where the flashlight is stationary. You cannot have it be vertical in both frames.
 
  • #34


thetrice said:
yeah another way of explaining it(AFTER READING ABOVE POST):
if u say that according to observer1 the mirror is not moving away from him and so is the light
he sees the light moving upward in c and downward again and that what really happens as he can't see that light returned to flash light while it didn't
but since the frame was moving with velocity vtrain then light should be moving upward with velocity c and moving diagonally with velocity v train and that s impossible

Observer1 sees the light moving straight up and down with speed "c".
Observer2 sees the light "aberrated", i.e. moving at an angle in the direction of vtrain. Light in the frame of Observer2 moves at "c" just the same.
 
  • #35


thetrice said:
no i don't agree ..
here what is wrong and i said about 200 times but seems everybody ignore it

No, you are either ignoring or misunderstanding what everybody else has said in this thread. I don't see any sign that either "side" is going to budge in this discussion, so there's no point in continuing it.
 

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