Estimating f(x) & Computing dy/dx: Answers vs. Solutions

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The discussion focuses on estimating the function f(8.05) using differentials, where the correct answer is 71.40, highlighting a misunderstanding in the calculations. For the implicit differentiation problem, the correct derivative dy/dx at the point (1,2) is 0, contradicting the initial claim of 4/25 due to sign errors in the differentiation process. Lastly, the mean value theorem application reveals that the correct value of c is 7/2, not -1/4 or 7/4, based on the proper calculation of the derivative and function values. The participants emphasize the importance of showing work and avoiding calculation errors. Clarifications on the application of differentiation and theorems are crucial for accurate problem-solving.
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1) Use differentials to estimate f(8.05) given that f(8)=71 and
(d/dx)f(x)=sqrt of (x+56)

i used f(c+h) = f(c) + fprime(c) * h
i got 8.125, but the answer is 71.40

2) Compute dy/dx at the given values xy - 6y^2 - 2x = -24 , x=1, y=2

I keep getting 4/25
but the answer is 0

3) Give a value c that satisfies the conclusion of the mean value theorem on the interval 2 < x < 5 for the function f(x) = 6x^2 + 8x + 13 (note: all < means greater than or equal to )

I took the prime of f(x), and f '(c) = 12x + 8
12x + 8 = 5
and I got c= (-1/4)
but the answer is c = (7/4)
 
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1. The formula is correct, and when I'm using it, I get 71.4.
2. The question doesn't make sense.
3. f'(c) is 50, not 5.
 
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I think 2) should read:

For the following expression: xy - 6y^2 - 2x = -24

Compute dy/dx for the following values: x = 1, y = 2

Differentiate implicitly wrt x:

xy - 6y^2 - 2x = -24

[x\frac{dy}{dx} + y] - 12y\frac{dy}{dx} - 2 = 0

\frac{dy}{dx}(x - 12y) = 2 - y

\frac{dy}{dx} = \frac{2 - y}{x - 12y} = \frac{2 - 2}{1 - 24} =0
 
OK, that makes sense. I messed up and thought that (1,2) isn't even on that curve, but I guess 2-24-2 really is -24. :smile:
 
buffgilville said:
1) Use differentials to estimate f(8.05) given that f(8)=71 and
(d/dx)f(x)=sqrt of (x+56)

i used f(c+h) = f(c) + fprime(c) * h
i got 8.125, but the answer is 71.40

I wish you had shown your work. You seem to be making some serious mistakes. In this case, you are told that f(c)= f(8)= 71 so I don't see how you could haved gotten 71+ something equal to "8.125".
Yes, f(c+ h)= f(c)+ f'(c)*h (approximately)
so f(8+ .05)= f(8)+ f'(8)*(0.05)
= 71+ sqrt(8+56)*(0.05)
= 71+ sqrt(64)*(0.05)
= 71+ 8*(0.05)= 71+ 0.4= 71.4
2) Compute dy/dx at the given values xy - 6y^2 - 2x = -24 , x=1, y=2

I keep getting 4/25
but the answer is 0

HOW do you get "4/25"? Using "implicit differentiation",
y+ xy'- 12yy'- 2= 0. Setting x= 1, y= 2, this is
2+y'- 24y'- 2 or -23y'= 0. I wonder if you weren't getting the signs mixed up?

3) Give a value c that satisfies the conclusion of the mean value theorem on the interval 2 < x < 5 for the function f(x) = 6x^2 + 8x + 13 (note: all < means greater than or equal to )

I took the prime of f(x), and f '(c) = 12x + 8
12x + 8 = 5
and I got c= (-1/4)
but the answer is c = (7/4)

You took the derivative of f(x)! Don't use "slang"!

The mean value theorem says \frac{f(b)-f(a)}{b- a}= f &#039;(x) for some x between a and b. In this case, a= 2, b= 5 so f(b)= 6(25)+ 8(5)+ 13= 150+ 40+ 13= 203 and f(a)= 6(4)+ 8(2)+ 13= 24+16+ 13= 53. We are looking for c so that f &#039;(c)= 12c+ 8 = \frac{203-53}{5-2}=\frac{150}{3}= 50. 12c+ 8= 50 so 12c= 42. c= 42/12= 7/2 (?Not 7/4).<br /> I have no idea where you got &quot;5&quot;. If 12c+ 8= 41, then 12c= 33
 
Thanks for everyone's help! :smile:
 
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