Evaluate the surface integral ##\iint\limits_{\sum} f\cdot d\sigma##

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The discussion revolves around evaluating a surface integral of the form ##\iint\limits_{\Sigma} f \cdot d\sigma##, where the function and its components are under scrutiny. The problem involves understanding the correct formulation of the vector field and the surface element.

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  • Participants explore the correct components of the vector field, particularly the z-component, and question the validity of the provided answer. There are discussions on parameterization choices and the simplification of the integral through substitutions. Some participants express uncertainty about specific factors appearing in the integrand.

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There are indications of confusion regarding the function definitions and components, particularly the z-component of the vector field. Participants note discrepancies between the expected and computed results, suggesting that the original problem may have been transcribed incorrectly.

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Evaluate the surface integral ##\iint\limits_{\sum}f \cdot d\sigma## where ##f(x,y,z) = x^2\hat{i} + xy\hat{j} + z^2\hat{k}## and ##\sum## is the part of the plane 6x + 3y + 2z =6 with ##x \geq 0, y \geq 0, ## and ##z \geq 0 ## with the outward unit normal n pointing in the positive z direction
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But the answer provided is ##\frac{15}{4} ## How is that? What is wrong in the above computation of answer?
 

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\sum produces the summation operator \sum; \Sigma produces a capital sigma \Sigma.

You haven't used the correct z component of \mathbf{f}; it should be z^2, not z as you have.

As regards the rest of your working, it is simplest to just use x and y as parameters rather than introducing u and v. Then d\boldsymbol{\sigma} = <br /> \begin{pmatrix} 1 \\ 0 \\ \frac{\partial z}{\partial x} \end{pmatrix} \times <br /> \begin{pmatrix} 0 \\ 1 \\ \frac{\partial z}{\partial y} \end{pmatrix}\,dx\,dy<br /> = \begin{pmatrix} - \frac{\partial z}{\partial x} \\ -\frac{\partial z}{\partial y} \\ 1 \end{pmatrix}\,dx\,dy <br /> = \begin{pmatrix} 3 \\ \tfrac32 \\ 1\end{pmatrix}\,dx\,dy<br /> and the surface integral then reduces to <br /> \begin{split}<br /> \iint_\Sigma \mathbf{f} \cdot d\boldsymbol{\sigma} &amp;=<br /> \int_0^1 \int_0^{2(1-x)} 3x^2 + \tfrac32xy + \left(3 - 3x - \tfrac32y\right)^2\,dy \,dx<br /> \\<br /> &amp;= \int_0^1 \int_0^{2(1-x)} \tfrac32 x(2x+y) + \left(3 - \tfrac32(2x+y)\right)^2\,dy\,dx \\<br /> &amp;= \int_0^1 \int_{2x}^2 \tfrac32 xu + 2\left(3 - \tfrac32 u\right)^2\,du\,dx<br /> \end{split}<br /> using the substitution u = 2x + y in the inner integral (I think this substitution simplifies the algebra significantly, thereby reducing the scope for errors).
 
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pasmith said:
\sum produces the summation operator \sum; \Sigma produces a capital sigma \Sigma.

You haven't used the correct z component of \mathbf{f}; it should be z^2, not z as you have.

As regards the rest of your working, it is simplest to just use x and y as parameters rather than introducing u and v. Then d\boldsymbol{\sigma} =<br /> \begin{pmatrix} 1 \\ 0 \\ \frac{\partial z}{\partial x} \end{pmatrix} \times<br /> \begin{pmatrix} 0 \\ 1 \\ \frac{\partial z}{\partial y} \end{pmatrix}\,dx\,dy<br /> = \begin{pmatrix} - \frac{\partial z}{\partial x} \\ -\frac{\partial z}{\partial y} \\ 1 \end{pmatrix}\,dx\,dy<br /> = \begin{pmatrix} 3 \\ \tfrac32 \\ 1\end{pmatrix}\,dx\,dy<br /> and the surface integral then reduces to <br /> \begin{split}<br /> \iint_\Sigma \mathbf{f} \cdot d\boldsymbol{\sigma} &amp;=<br /> \int_0^1 \int_0^{2(1-x)} 3x^2 + \tfrac32xy + \left(3 - 3x - \tfrac32y\right)^2\,dy \,dx<br /> \\<br /> &amp;= \int_0^1 \int_0^{2(1-x)} \tfrac32 x(2x+y) + \left(3 - \tfrac32(2x+y)\right)^2\,dy\,dx \\<br /> &amp;= \int_0^1 \int_{2x}^2 \tfrac32 xu + 2\left(3 - \tfrac32 u\right)^2\,du\,dx<br /> \end{split}<br /> using the substitution u = 2x + y in the inner integral (I think this substitution simplifies the algebra significantly, thereby reducing the scope for errors).
Z compnent is correct. It is ##z\hat{k}## I wrote it wrongly in the homework statement. Sorry for that.
 
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Z compnent is correct. It is ##z\hat{k}## I wrote it wrongly in the homework statement. Sorry for that.

Then we should have <br /> \begin{split}<br /> \iint_\Sigma \mathbf{f} \cdot d\boldsymbol{\sigma} &amp;=<br /> \int_0^1 \int_0^{2(1-x)} 3x^2 + \tfrac32xy + \left(3 - 3x - \tfrac32y\right)\,dy \,dx<br /> \\<br /> &amp;= \int_0^1 \int_0^{2(1-x)} \tfrac32 x(2x+y) + \left(3 - \tfrac32(2x+y)\right)\,dy\,dx \\<br /> &amp;= \int_0^1 \int_{2x}^2 \tfrac32 xu + 2\left(3 - \tfrac32 u\right)\,du\,dx<br /> \end{split}<br /> which does give the result \frac{15}4. However, looking at it again I cnanot justify the factor of 2 which mysteriously appears in front of the second term in the final line, and removing it I then get <br /> \int_0^1 \int_{2x}^2 3ux + 3 - \tfrac32u\,du\,dx = \frac 74 which is your answer.
 
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@pasmith e hehe what do you mean you cannot justify that factor of 2...So the correct result is 7/4 afterall?

Ah maybe I see now, maybe you mean that that z^2 is meant to be 2z instead?

@WMDhamnekar can you please make sure which exactly function is f? Is it $$f(x,y,z)=x^2\hat i+xy\hat j+2z\hat k$$?
 
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@pasmith e hehe what do you mean you cannot justify that factor of 2...So the correct result is 7/4 afterall?

Between the second and third lines the integrand somehow changes from 3x^2 + 3xy/2 + z to 3x^2 + 3xy/2 + 2z which I think is a typo on my part. The fact that this yields what the OP says is the given answer may or may not be coincidence. But without that erroneous factor of 2 I obtain 7/4. So either the given answer is incorrect or the OP has transcribed the problem incorrectly.
 
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pasmith said:
Between the second and third lines the integrand somehow changes from 3x^2 + 3xy/2 + z to 3x^2 + 3xy/2 + 2z which I think is a typo on my part. The fact that this yields what the OP says is the given answer may or may not be coincidence. But without that erroneous factor of 2 I obtain 7/4. So either the given answer is incorrect or the OP has transcribed the problem incorrectly.
If f(x,y,z) = x2i + xyj + 3zk , then we get the answer ##\frac{15}{4}##. So, there may be typographical error in the book.
 
WMDhamnekar said:
If f(x,y,z) = x2i + xyj + 3zk , then we get the answer ##\frac{15}{4}##. So, there may be typographical error in the book.
you mean ##+2z\hat k##... Seems that third term is cursed in this thread lol...
 

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