Exciting distance problem Only 2 variables are given.

[Wolftacular]

Homework Statement

An athlete executing a long jump leaves the ground at a 28° angle and travels 7.80 m. What was the takeoff speed?

Xo = 0
X = 7.80m
Ay = -9.8m/s^2

Homework Equations

V=Vo+at

X=Xo+VoT+(1/2)AT^2

V^2=V^2o+2A(X-Xo)

The Attempt at a Solution

I made a right triangle with a 28° angle in the proper corner and established that the starting X velocity was H(cos(28)) and starting Y velocity was H(sin(28)) where H is the hypotenuse (initial speed). I've no idea what to do or if I'm on the right track. I feel like the problem should be giving me more stuff, and at the same time I can kind of see how the logic would work but I've no idea how to apply it.

 

[WJSwanson]

The y-component of the velocity should be X sin28. Since you have your component vectors, try to think of which one determines how long the athlete is in the air. That should get you set up.

 

[PeterO]

Homework Statement

An athlete executing a long jump leaves the ground at a 28° angle and travels 7.80 m. What was the takeoff speed?

Xo = 0
X = 7.80m
Ay = -9.8m/s^2

Homework Equations

V=Vo+at

X=Xo+VoT+(1/2)AT^2

V^2=V^2o+2A(X-Xo)

The Attempt at a Solution

I made a right triangle with a 28° angle in the proper corner and established that the starting X velocity was X(cos(28)) and starting Y velocity was X(cos(28)) where X is the hypotenuse (initial speed). I've no idea what to do or if I'm on the right track. I feel like the problem should be giving me more stuff, and at the same time I can kind of see how the logic would work but I've no idea how to apply it.

Good start.

Check this for some more hints.

http://cnx.org/content/m13847/latest/

And if you want to play with an applet

http://galileo.phys.virginia.edu/classes/109N/more_stuff/Applets/ProjectileMotion/enapplet.html

 

[Wolftacular]

The y-component of the velocity should be X sin28. Since you have your component vectors, try to think of which one determines how long the athlete is in the air. That should get you set up.

Yeah! Haha, typo, sorry! That's kind of what I was thinking but I'm unsure of how exactly to use what I have. Like I said, in my head I can see it all happening but I don't know where to start. Would I have to carry my hypotenuse variable all the way to the end of the problem and then do some sort of plugging into get my final result?

 

[WJSwanson]

You have a known initial velocity in the y-direction, and you have a known acceleration in the y-direction. Both have an effect on the function of position versus time. You can use the kinematic equations (or integration, if that better suits your fancy) to determine how long the athlete is airborne.

 

[Wolftacular]

Thank you WJSwanson! I was lazy but you encouraged me to go through the formula! So this is what happened:

I listed my known variables as follows:
H = hypotenuse = initial velocity at 28° = final result

x₀ = 0
x = 7.8 meters
v_x0 = v_x = Hcos(28)
a = 0

t = ?

y₀ = 0
y = 0
v_y0 = Hsin(28)
v_y = ?
a = 9.8 m/s²

I set up one of the kinematic formulas with what I knew about y motion:
y = y₀ + v₀t + (1/2)at²
0 = Hsin(28)t - 4.9t²
-Hsin(28)t = -4.9t²

(Hsin(28))/4.9 = t

As you can see, my time still had an unknown variable (H) in it, and I could've plugged it right into the kinematic for X, but I didn't want to deal with any squares so I did the exact same thing I did with Y (kinematic equation with what I knew except for t), and got another t result. I equaled these two results and solved for H.

Final answer: 9.60 m/s

 

[WJSwanson]

I'm getting a bit bleary-eyed at this point because it's a Friday night and the wife and I have been drinking, so I don't know that I'd be very reliable on checking your calculations. Your argument looks about right, and the dimensions came out correctly.

Did you plug your derived values back into v₀ = v <cos$\theta$ , sin$\theta$>, i.e., 9.60m/s <cos28 , sin28> and work backward to check your answer? If you did (and you can use derivatives with respect to time to find the time t at which your athlete hits max height and then double it to find total transit time, etc.) and find total horizontal displacement? Because if it comes back as $\Delta$x = 7.80m, then you're golden.