Expressing velocity as a function of the distance (not time elapsed)

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The discussion centers on deriving the velocity of an 8 lb. object as a function of distance rather than time, given a pulling force proportional to distance, friction, and air resistance. The initial approach involved expressing velocity in terms of time, leading to a complex equation that was difficult to solve. A more effective method was suggested, which involves rearranging the differential equation to relate velocity directly to distance. By substituting variables and using standard techniques, the problem can be simplified, ultimately leading to the desired velocity formula. The conversation highlights the importance of correctly framing the problem to find a solution efficiently.
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Hi, I encountered the great difficulty solving the following question.
(The reason why its is hard is because I have to express the velocity as a function of the distance of the object has traveled in stead of as a function of the time elapsed.)

Starting from rest at t=0, an 8 lb. object is pulled along a surface with a force that is equal to twice the distance (in feet) of the object from its starting point x=0. The coefficient of sliding friction is 1/4.
The air resistance is numerically equal to one-eight the square of the velocity (in feet/second).
What is the velocity formula of the object as a function of the distance of the object has traveled?

So, weight = 8lb.
m=\frac{8}{32}=\frac{1}{4}
Air Resistance = \frac{1}{8}v^2
Friction = \frac{-1}{4}8 = -2
Pulling force = 2x


First I tried to write the velocity formula as a function of the time elapsed. The I got

\frac{1}{4}\frac{dv}{dt}=2x - 2-\frac{1}{8}v^2
2\frac{dv}{dt}=16x - 16-v^2
\frac{dv}{v^2+16}=(-8x)dt
Integrate, I had
-0.004363tan^-^1(0.25v)=8xt+C
Applying the I.C., v(0)=0
c = 0
so, tan^-^1(0.25v)=\frac{-8xt}{0.004363}
I don't know how to solve this equation for v from here.

Besides, the answer provided for this problem was v=\sqrt{16x-32+32e^-^x}
which gives me the idea that my approach is off and should be a way to obtain the desired formula without obtaining the formula as a function of time elapsed first...

What is the best way to attack this problem?
 
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Beez said:
Hi, I encountered the great difficulty solving the following question.
(The reason why its is hard is because I have to express the velocity as a function of the distance of the object has traveled in stead of as a function of the time elapsed.)

Starting from rest at t=0, an 8 lb. object is pulled along a surface with a force that is equal to twice the distance (in feet) of the object from its starting point x=0. The coefficient of sliding friction is 1/4.
The air resistance is numerically equal to one-eight the square of the velocity (in feet/second).
What is the velocity formula of the object as a function of the distance of the object has traveled?

So, weight = 8lb.
m=\frac{8}{32}=\frac{1}{4}
Air Resistance = \frac{1}{8}v^2
Friction = \frac{-1}{4}8 = -2
Pulling force = 2x


First I tried to write the velocity formula as a function of the time elapsed. The I got

\frac{1}{4}\frac{dv}{dt}=2x - 2-\frac{1}{8}v^2
2\frac{dv}{dt}=16x - 16-v^2
\frac{dv}{v^2+16}=(-8x)dt
Integrate, I had
-0.004363tan^-^1(0.25v)=8xt+C
Applying the I.C., v(0)=0
c = 0
so, tan^-^1(0.25v)=\frac{-8xt}{0.004363}
I don't know how to solve this equation for v from here.

Besides, the answer provided for this problem was v=\sqrt{16x-32+32e^-^x}
which gives me the idea that my approach is off and should be a way to obtain the desired formula without obtaining the formula as a function of time elapsed first...

What is the best way to attack this problem?
begin with your correct equation:

2\frac{dv}{dt} \ = \ 16x - 16-v^2

rearrange terms:

\frac{dv}{dt} + \frac{v^2}{2} \ = \ 8x - 8

then use:

\frac{dv}{dt} \ = \ \frac{dv}{dx} \cdot \frac{dx}{dt} \ = \ \frac{dv}{dx} \cdot v

so that placing this result into the diff eq:

v\frac{dv}{dx} + \frac{v^2}{2} \ = \ 8x - 8

or:

2v\frac{dv}{dx} + v^2 \ = \ 16x - 16

\frac{d(v^{2})}{dx} + v^2 \ = \ 16x - 16

now let y=v2 and solve for y(x) using standard techniques.
 
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geosonel said:
begin with your correct equation:

2\frac{dv}{dt} \ = \ 16x - 16-v^2

rearrange terms:

\frac{dv}{dt} + \frac{v^2}{2} \ = \ 8x - 8

then use:

\frac{dv}{dt} \ = \ \frac{dv}{dx} \cdot \frac{dx}{dt} \ = \ \frac{dv}{dx} \cdot v

so that placing this result into the diff eq:

v\frac{dv}{dx} + \frac{v^2}{2} \ = \ 8x - 8

or:

2v\frac{dv}{dx} + v^2 \ = \ 16x - 16

\frac{d(v^{2})}{dx} + v^2 \ = \ 16x - 16

now let y=v2 and solve for y(x) using standard techniques.

this is correct

marlon
 
Thanks for helping me again geosonel. I got it!
 
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