Expressing y(t) including the effects of air resistance & gravity

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The discussion centers on solving a physics problem involving a particle moving upward in a gravitational field while experiencing air resistance. The user attempts to derive the position function y(t) but struggles with integration and the correct application of limits. Feedback from other participants highlights errors in the integration process and the importance of properly accounting for gravitational effects. The user ultimately realizes their mistakes and successfully corrects their approach with guidance from the forum. The conversation emphasizes the significance of careful integration and understanding the forces acting on the particle.
Cooojan

Homework Statement


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Hi everyone! So I've got this similar problem as I posted yesterday, but this one
is slightly different due to the presence of gravity:

A particle in gravitational field ##~~g##
starts traveling upward (positive direction) along the y-axis from ##~~y=0##
with the initial speed ##~~v_0≠0~~##,
where it faces air resistance ##~~F_R##

##F_R = -mbv~~~~## (where ##~v~## is the speed of the particle)

I have to show that the position of particle at any time can be expressed as following:

##y(t)= \frac 1b (v_0+ \frac gb)(1-e^{-bt})- \frac gb t##

Homework Equations



## \frac{dv}{dt}+bv = -g ##

The Attempt at a Solution


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So I found out that the expression for speed of the particle in this case is:

##v(y) = \frac 1b(b(v_0)e^{-bt}+ge^{-bt}-g))~~~~## (I believe this should be correct)

Further:

## v=\frac{dy}{dt} ~~~~⇒~~~~dy=v~dt~~~~⇒~~~~ \int \,dy= \int_0^t v\,dt ~~~~## (unsure if I've taken limits correctly)

When I do this integration, what I get - is something that somehow reminds of solution,
which I was suppose to come to:

Iget:

##y(t)= \frac1b(v_0)(1-e^{-bt}) + g- e^{-bt} - \frac gbt ##

when I should get:

##y(t)= \frac1b(v_0+ \frac gb )(1-e^{-bt}) - \frac gbt ##

If someone could point out what exactly am I doing wrong, would be awesome!
Also if you can comment on if I'm taking limits correctly.
In this case it doesn't really metter, I guess, but generally speaking - should I take same integration limits on both sides or not?
(as with: ##~~ \int \,dy= \int_0^t v\,dt ~~##)##~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Thanx~a~lot !
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Cooojan said:
FR=−mbv F_R = -mbv~~~~ (where v ~v~ is the speed of the particle)
Just to clarify, you are given that the retarding force due to air resistance is proportional to the object's mass? That doesn't seem correct...
 
No no! Its proportional to particles speed. Acceleration would then be equal to "-bv"
As you can see further below - mass is not mentioned anywhere else in equations
 
You made a mistake when integrating. The integral of eat is very easy to get wrong by mistake. I also think you dropped a g somewhere.
You can also look at the units too see which terms are wrong. y(t) = g + ... can't be right.
 
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! Oh !
I forgot to mention that originaly, this was a 2D problem, so that is why I'm using ##v_0~sinθ## in my calculations on paper,
and not just ##v_0##, as I did in my post.
But I already solved for x-axis, so I didnt want u guys to think of any unnecessities, while helping me out.
So I just turned the whole thing into a 1d problem. I hope u don't mind. :)
And also I used ##b## instead of ##α##, just so it would be faster for me to write it down in ##LaTeX##.

So that's what I did to get there...
I still can't get this right. If u have any suggestions, u r more then welcome to share))
Many thanx!
 
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Cooojan said:
So that's what I did to get there...
I still can't get this right. If u have any suggestions, u r more then welcome to share))
Many thanx!

You're nearly there. The 1/a factors are ok now, but you forgot to multiply both terms with g here.

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willem2 said:
You're nearly there. The 1/a factors are ok now, but you forgot to multiply both terms with g here.

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True story, my fault! Thank u)) How didnt I see this??
Was pretty close and even checked thrue integration several times... Now I got it right! Cant thank you enough))))))))))
 
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