F=ma prob with electrons (They don't even act like particles )

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The discussion revolves around calculating the acceleration and final velocity of electrons accelerated by a constant force of 8.0*10^16 N over a distance of 15mm. The challenge arises from the uncertainty about the total mass of the electrons involved, as the problem does not specify the number of electrons. Participants clarify that the force is applied to each individual electron, allowing for the use of the mass of a single electron (9.1093897*10^-31 kg) to determine acceleration. The confusion stems from interpreting the problem's phrasing, which implies that calculations should treat each electron separately. Ultimately, the problem can be solved by applying the given force to the mass of one electron.
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F=ma prob with electrons (They don't even act like particles!)

Well here's the problem:

1. Electrons in an oscilloscope are accelerated from rest by a constant force of 8.0*10^16 N over a distance of 15mm. Find (a) the acceleration and (b) the final velocity.


Relevant equations:
2. F=ma, v^2+u^2=2as, v=ut+1/2at^2

At any rate it's easy to find the acceleration of 1 electron, but I don't know how to obtain the mass of all of them. I tried to find the force needed to displace a mass of 1 electron (9.1093897*10^-31 kg) by 15mm and then simply cross multiplying the forces and accelerations, but since I don't know the time (since I don't know the speed of the electron) I'm flumoxed!

3. The Attempt at a Solution :
F=ma => a= (8*10^16 N)/m(total)

a= (8*10^16 N)/(9.1093897*10^-31)x ;where is x =total no. of electrons

ax = 8.782147641^46 m/s^2


Again the final velocity is easy to get once I've gotten the acceleration. Any help would be appreciated.
 
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Treat each electron separately. Presumably, you are given the force on each electron, so find their acceleration.
 
Agreed..
 
Unfortunately, you're only given the force acting on a group of electrons of unknown size.
Sure if I knew the force acting on each electron it'd be easy!
 
Pee-Buddy said:
Unfortunately, you're only given the force acting on a group of electrons of unknown size.
Sure if I knew the force acting on each electron it'd be easy!
You are over-interpreting the phrasing of the problem. It is easy! When they say: "Electons are..." they are talking about each electron. (Just like saying "Electrons have a mass of ...". How many electrons? One!)

Otherwise you would be correct: The problem would be impossible. A given force is exerted on an unknown mass. Find the acceleration. Sorry, no can do! :wink:
 
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