Fermi energy of multiple electrons, infinite potential well

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The discussion focuses on calculating the Fermi energy level for five electrons in a three-dimensional infinite potential well with equal widths of 12 angstroms at absolute zero temperature. Participants express confusion about the energy state filling process, particularly regarding the 221 state containing both an electron and an empty state, as they believe the electrons should fill the 111 and 211 levels first. The approximate formula for Fermi energy is mentioned, but its application for a small number of electrons is debated. There is a consensus that the manual's solution appears incorrect, as participants believe the Fermi energy should correspond to the (123) state instead of (233). The conversation highlights the complexities of quantum states and electron filling in potential wells.
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Homework Statement


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Five free electrons exist in a three-dimensional infinite potential well with all three widths equal to a 12 angstroms. Determine the Fermi energy level at T 0 K.

Homework Equations



E = [(h_bar*pi)2/(2*m*a2)]*(nx2 + ny2 + nz2)

The Attempt at a Solution



Tried using EF = (h_bar2/2*m)*(3*pi2*N/V)(2/3) but no luck; found the solution manual online, but the answer doesn't make sense:

"For a 3D infinite potential well,

E = [(h_bar*pi)2/(2*m*a2)]*(nx2 + ny2 + nz2) = E0*(nx2 + ny2 + nz2).

For 5 electrons, energy state corresponding to nx ny nz = 221 contains both an electron and an empty state, so

EF = E0*(22 + 22 + 12)..." (plug in values and solve from here on)

My question is, why does the 221 state "contain both an electron and an empty state"? It seems like the 5 electrons should fill up only the 111 and 211 levels since 111 has room for two states and 211 has room for six.
 
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Can you give the link to the solution you found?
 
Ah ok, sorry I was a bit confused because I forgot that ##n_i## starts from one instead of zero.
ricardillo said:
EF = (h_bar2/2*m)*(3*pi2*N/V)(2/3
This is an approximate formula when the number of electron is very large. For 5 electrons you have to count the possible states one after another starting from the lowest one, which is (111). Neglecting spin, if you have 5 electrons, which level you will end up to if you add the electrons one by one from (111) state?
 
If we include degeneracy, then there's one electron in (111), three in (112) and one in (122) with two states left over at that level. However, if I try the same method for thirteen electrons, as in part (b), I'd only get to level (123) rather than the (233) level given by the solution.
Is there something wrong with the way I'm filling up states?
 
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ricardillo said:
If we include degeneracy, then there's one electron in (111), three in (112) and one in (122) with two states left over at that level. However, if I try the same method for thirteen electrons, as in part (b), I'd only get to level (123) rather than the (233) level given by the solution.
Is there something wrong with the way I'm filling up states?
I am also facing the same problem.
 
Anik Paul said:
I am also facing the same problem.
I don't see how the manual arrived at its solution. The Fermi energy should be at (123).
 
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